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Yeah, Carmelo. Unless he's changed.
Yeah, Carmelo. Unless he's changed.
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I don't see any GM with a top3 pick trading their pick for Thibs. So the whole thing seems kind of silly. The OP's question was trading with the Knicks, who while are awful, do not own their own pick this year, so we wouldn't be getting anything but a future 1st round draft pick.
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I'd have to have a no doubt 100% for sure great all-star to trade Thibs. Not sure there are any such in this draft. I might ask for two high number one picks, though.
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No, I would be a good GM for keeping my sure things, and still trying to acquire other assets and star players. Good players want to play for good coaches and win with good coaches. You can have great players and not win anything. Coaches are just as important as players. See Lakers, Nets, Knicks.
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Take everything you just said, go back to the 1990s...
Now, sub Thibs for Sloan and you're a Utah Jazz fan.. because that's what we are.. the Utah Jazz without a player as good as Karl Malone.
Being the team that would make Bobby Knight the happiest a) wins you nothing and b) draws no free agents. You know what draws players. "Do those guys work hard or not in Miami? I don't know. What I do know is .. they're REALLY f-ing (listen to this next word...) GOOD .. I want to play THERE!"
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What I read was, "is he worth the #1 pick?" The answer is yes. I guess the greater question is... "say team X has a pick in the top 5 or 6, would you do it?"
YES. One more shot at a guy who could be THE guy? The answer is you keep taking those shots until you get two guys good enough to go toe to toe with the league, THEN you worry about having guys like Noah, Gibson, Butler and a good coach. I can get a good coach to coach Rose and Cousins and I can get role players to play with Rose and Cousins or Parker or whoever.
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Since when do the players who are sure things make the best players?
Was Olden Polynice more of a sure thing? Or was Scottie Pippen? Vlade Divac or Kobe Bryant?
Thibs doesn't have the PLAYERS to win here. Any chance to get closer to having that talent is worth a coach or role players until you get that talent.
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You're debating yourself, because none of that was my point.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_A...eralize_your_Opponent.27s_Specific_Statements
But since I have you saying that Thibs doesn't have players(your opinion).... well, he's still winning anyways. That is why I want to keep him AND give him players. He's a coach, this isn't an either or situation or argument. His salary doesn't count against the cap.
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Nah, Melo isn't the type of guy who wants to phone in games, and heatcheck until he scores a boatload for a game to shut up critics when the pressure gets to high. We don't have to worry about Melo wanting to play hard, thus why he wants to play with Thibs, who would hold him accountable.
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No.. it's not my opinion. Put Noah next to the guys who were the second talents on the last 33 champions.. the vast majority of them.. he doesn't pass the laugh test as being comparable.
He's winning? Or he's winning REGULAR SEASON games?
I have him at 1 win 4 losses in the conference finals when it counts. He's Jerry Sloan of today. Phil Jackson preached none of what Sloan did and didn't run this hokie, corn pone, "go get a rug burn and make mean faces" type of operation. He just had guys who were better ATHLETES than Sloan had, they had fun, didn't have to preach the morals of the game.. and just dropped sack on the league man.
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Seriously, is this idea even being entertained.
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Why do you guys think Thibs is Red Auerbach lol. If he is, what happened in 2011?
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_A...eralize_your_Opponent.27s_Specific_Statements
That. LOL, did you even read it?
Nobody said what you claimed they are saying.
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Are you stupid?
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I argued with two specific points in that post.. what you think about how I frame an argument according to your wiki page means jack shit to me.
This is from Mr....
"I think Cousins takes games off, more than Noah"
later in the thread
"What we were all saying all along was that the Kings wouldn't trade Cousins anyway."
No need not to generalize. Pro organization fans regurgitate the same moronic BS over and over. One may appear to be a zebra, the other a mountain lion the other a tiger... but they're all just cats.
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Did I just drop a money shot on your mother?
Remember the "are you stupid" later when you try to run to the moderators after you started in first.
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Then as long as you know, you are making a point then arguing against your own point. This is sometimes seen as schizophrenia.
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So, that's a yes?
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Great job contradicting yourself!
Translation -- players who are viewed as a "sure thing" coming into the draft don't always turn into the best player. Kinda' funny, because right before this you said:
This is you essentially saying that Jabari Parker is totally a sure thing and is worth giving up a fantastic coach for a guy who's never played one minute in the NBA. Okay. Cool. So, which is it?
Translation -- players who are viewed as a "sure thing" coming into the draft don't always turn into the best player. Kinda' funny, because right before this you said:
This is you essentially saying that Jabari Parker is totally a sure thing and is worth giving up a fantastic coach for a guy who's never played one minute in the NBA. Okay. Cool. So, which is it?