IST: Cub at Reds

[brett05]

I thought I made it clear that I meant both. All games are analogous with business at their core. A group of people, each with their own gifts, combining their efforts to create something greater than the sum of its parts. A win in sports is analogous to profit in business.

But that is not always the case. The 49ers Ed DeBartolo made the comment, winning championships means a losing business model. The Cubs on the other hand for decades have been very profitable but not very successful on the field. I don't think you can say they are the same. One is concerned with profits and the other is concerned with wins. I think this is where we differ

It's why the analogy does not work. For a business the best piece is the CEO or Board. For the game the best piece could be a star pitcher or superstar LFer. It is never a non player.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

For a business the best piece is the CEO or Board. For the game the best piece could be a star pitcher or superstar LFer. It is never a non player.

I don't agree with that at all. I think for right now, this minute the most important pieces of the Cubs puzzle are Theo Epstein and Joe Maddon. That's on the verge of changing because of the growth of superstar level young talent but it hasn't yet. Also I worked for a company once that was helmed by an idiot but had a very talented group in the trenches. Despite ownership and leadership the company made tons of money until those talented people went off in masse and formed their own company. So I think the analogy holds.

There are lots of reasons teams are successful. I think St, Louis is successful because they have an almost paint by number organizational approach and are so deep in talent that injuries rarely set them back and they can literally put a robot in the manager's seat and have with Matheny. The Cubs have emulated that but if tehy put a robot in place with impressionable young talent they'd be sunk. They have won this year because Joe Maddon has managed, in the traditional sense, his young, unproven assets like a champion. He may turn that performance into an actual championship too. If he does that did he still not have anything to do with winning?

 

[Parade_Rain]

The analogy fails when compared to a business. Let's keep it in the correct realm. What would happen with the three managers that you mentioned? They would make more mistakes than Joe. They would probably cost their team wins because of that. Again, as you know from the past to which you agreed with, Managers don't win, they help to mitigate losses. It's not an opposite affect. The net effect of a manager should be zero. It should all be on the field just as the game is played. However each time a manager makes a mistake the number drops from zero effect to a negative effect. Depending on the decisions made it could be a tiny bit negative to catastrophic. That's the difference. That's not noise.

162-0. Every team does not start off at 162-0.

 

[brett05]

I don't agree with that at all. I think for right now, this minute the most important pieces of the Cubs puzzle are Theo Epstein and Joe Maddon. That's on the verge of changing because of the growth of superstar level young talent but it hasn't yet. Also I worked for a company once that was helmed by an idiot but had a very talented group in the trenches. Despite ownership and leadership the company made tons of money until those talented people went off in masse and formed their own company. So I think the analogy holds.

There are lots of reasons teams are successful. I think St, Louis is successful because they have an almost paint by number organizational approach and are so deep in talent that injuries rarely set them back and they can literally put a robot in the manager's seat and have with Matheny. The Cubs have emulated that but if tehy put a robot in place with impressionable young talent they'd be sunk. They have won this year because Joe Maddon has managed, in the traditional sense, his young, unproven assets like a champion. He may turn that performance into an actual championship too. If he does that did he still not have anything to do with winning?

He helps to mitigate the mistakes. He does nothing to score or prevent scoring.

 

[brett05]

162-0. Every team does not start off at 162-0.

 

[brett05]

have a great weekend all and enjoy some great pitching from the NL Cy Young to guys who are pitching their last game of the year.