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[CSF77]

With 25 games left in season im not concerned about Coughlin and his 2nd best OBP..
i am more concerned about getting Alcantara and Baez more ABs to finish out the year and hopefully have those extra AB help them..

They need to look ahead to next season as they will finish season with 6 of the 8 everyday players in lineup. ( excluding bryant and LFer ).. unless they get a leadoff hitting LFer, Alcantara most likely the guy..

Again; it is giving them more outs. Like I said the smart approach is to give the most AB's to the best OBA. I posted a weighted line up value on another thread.

Basics #1 hitter holds the highest line up value. Followed by the 4 hitter then the 2 hitter then the 5 hitter.

This theory was based off info of time up with player on base.

So the theory that the #3 hitter held the most value was off base according to league info. He ended up up 2 out 0 on which decreased his line up slot value.

#4 hitter led off the 2nd inning which increased his value and in the first if he got up it was with someone on base. Again a RBI opportunity. #5 hitter and #2 hitters were again valued more than a #3 hitter.

After that the #6 hitter they saw value in speed. Bottom of the order RBI production. A speed player holds more value in pick up RBI's.

The whole give him more ab's is just silly to be honest. Neither Baez and Alcantara deserve to have heavy AB's. Not with their lower OBA's.

Now if you were talking about Soler hitting #2 then you would be making sense. Give him more AB's because he is a better hitter.

 

[CSF77]

Pretty sad they went 5-8 hitter auto outs.

 

[beckdawg]

The whole give him more ab's is just silly to be honest. Neither Baez and Alcantara deserve to have heavy AB's. Not with their lower OBA's.

How do you expect players to improve then? I mean I honestly don't really care for the debate but you're talking about the games like it matters if they win or not. The idea going forward would be to get the most development out of these players as possible. Case in point, it's hard to argue Baez is a MLB player at this point and yet he's hitting int he 2 hole.

 

[beckdawg]

So, besides the fact I hate FSMW's announcers, I also hate them because they keep showing commercials for Imo's pizza which was my favorite pizza prior to them closing in my area. AFAIK they are only in MO and St. Louis area anymore. Haven't had any since the last time I was at the Lake of the Ozarks :-/

 

[chibears55]

Again; it is giving them more outs. Like I said the smart approach is to give the most AB's to the best OBA. I posted a weighted line up value on another thread.

Basics #1 hitter holds the highest line up value. Followed by the 4 hitter then the 2 hitter then the 5 hitter.

This theory was based off info of time up with player on base.

So the theory that the #3 hitter held the most value was off base according to league info. He ended up up 2 out 0 on which decreased his line up slot value.

#4 hitter led off the 2nd inning which increased his value and in the first if he got up it was with someone on base. Again a RBI opportunity. #5 hitter and #2 hitters were again valued more than a #3 hitter.

After that the #6 hitter they saw value in speed. Bottom of the order RBI production. A speed player holds more value in pick up RBI's.

The whole give him more ab's is just silly to be honest. Neither Baez and Alcantara deserve to have heavy AB's. Not with their lower OBA's.

Now if you were talking about Soler hitting #2 then you would be making sense. Give him more AB's because he is a better hitter.

Ok thanks for the lineup breakdown, but its September not April
SO..

who cares ? This season is almost over, like I said its time to prepare for next year, and with the players that will be in everyday line up next year Alcantara will most likely be their leadoff hitter next year..

there 25 games left, its not about your best lineup order anymore this year, its about getting your kids ready for next season by getting them the most ABs possible and preparing for next year...

 

[chibears55]

Looks like the cubs ate too many cookies between games that they baked... too bad, would've loved to have swept the Cardinals

 

[TL1961]

Castro gets on and it gets interesting.

 

[Parade_Rain]

So, besides the fact I hate FSMW's announcers, I also hate them because they keep showing commercials for Imo's pizza which was my favorite pizza prior to them closing in my area. AFAIK they are only in MO and St. Louis area anymore. Haven't had any since the last time I was at the Lake of the Ozarks :-/

Imo's sucks. One closed in this town. Good riddance. Give me a Chicago pie any day. So many better thin crusts out there too.

 

[beckdawg]

Imo's sucks. One closed in this town. Good riddance. Give me a Chicago pie any day. So many better thin crusts out there too.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. Admittedly I've not had much chicago pizza as I don't get up there often but outside this local place which is really good, Imo's is the best chain-y pizza place I've had.

 

[chibears55]

This game got ugly....

 

[Parade_Rain]

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. Admittedly I've not had much chicago pizza as I don't get up there often but outside this local place which is really good, Imo's is the best chain-y pizza place I've had.

I don't mean to bash your taste buds. Sorry if it came across that way. I love pizza too much. There are a ton of mom and pops in my city. All different. Most really good.

 

[beckdawg]

I don't mean to bash your taste buds. Sorry if it came across that way. I love pizza too much. There are a ton of mom and pops in my city. All different. Most really good.

It's cool no offense was taken. To be honest, there's not much good pizza where I'm at other than the one local place I mentioned.

 

[CSF77]

This game got ugly....

9 runs...ya raped is a good word.

 

[TL1961]

9 runs...ya raped is a good word.

Between Fujikawa and Rosscup, they faced nine batters and every one of them scored. Neither pitcher recorded an out.

I just read that Rosscup was optioned to Iowa Friday, available Sat due to roster expansion for Dh, will be unavailable again Sunday, but expected to be up Monday.

Let's hope with roster expansion that we have much better options Monday. Send him packing.

 

[CSF77]

Ok thanks for the lineup breakdown, but its September not April
SO..

who cares ? This season is almost over, like I said its time to prepare for next year, and with the players that will be in everyday line up next year Alcantara will most likely be their leadoff hitter next year..

there 25 games left, its not about your best lineup order anymore this year, its about getting your kids ready for next season by getting them the most ABs possible and preparing for next year...

Preping means set spots in the order. More AB's for Baez is not helping him right now. What he needs is a few days off to reflect and watch some vid on what they are doing to him.

Anyways your theory holds little water. If anyone needs the ab's it would be Soler but he is producing so I guess Rick wants to win. Not to mention he has been using Cog as a lead off due to his OBA.

I'll give ya I believe Baez is hitting #2 and it is a front office decision to get more AB's. Alcantara is under Rick's control.

 

[chibears55]

Preping means set spots in the order. More AB's for Baez is not helping him right now. What he needs is a few days off to reflect and watch some vid on what they are doing to him.

Anyways your theory holds little water. If anyone needs the ab's it would be Soler but he is producing so I guess Rick wants to win. Not to mention he has been using Cog as a lead off due to his OBA.

I'll give ya I believe Baez is hitting #2 and it is a front office decision to get more AB's. Alcantara is under Rick's control.

Funny thing is my original post wasn't written as a theory, it was just what id like to see as a lineup when rizzo returns based on thinking that next year Alcantara will most likely be their leadoff hitter..
So, I figured getting the kid extra ABs and back to hitting leadoff should help him towards next year..

I understand what id like to see them do and what they actually do will be two different things...

But again who knows, maybe considering they have 6 of the 8 players on team now, hoyer/epstein may suggest to ricky if he doesn't do it on his own that it might be a good idea to finish with a lineup close to what he going to use next year to see how it looks...

Its September with a team playing for next year with their kids, all statistical reasoning get put aside in an everyday lineup...

Were probably going to see more of Olt and Lake in lineup over Valbuena and Coughlin, especially against lefties cause if for anything they may want to showcase them for possible offseason trades..

 

[CSF77]

We will see on that with Olt and Lake. My opinion is to put Olt at 1B in AAA and let him DH when the need calls for it next year. Lake is tempting to cut.

In AAA: Olt 106 AB's. .302/.348/.585 7 HR's. Telling sign 106 AB 8 BB little low for him. 33 SO. 30%.
Lake: .286/.344/.429 2 HR. Telling sign: 56 AB. 5 BB near 10% 14 SO. 30% SO rate.

IMO the pitching has been easier to hit but again it comes down to their SO% both being at 30% against AAA pitching. That to me is not trade worthy pieces.

 

[Papa Wheelie]

What flavor is the kool ade that you are drinking?

LOL. Why am I drinking kool aid? I made no predictions or anything. You don't think the Cubs winning a WS will be a big deal? Fortunately, your opinion doesn't matter. The only opinions that matter will be the FA pitchers that think it would be a big deal, and may want to be a part of it. Sounds to me that you're just another Debbie downer.

 

[Parade_Rain]

N/M

 

[TL1961]

Loaded the bases in 1st, but failed to score.

Followed that with a 5 spot in the 2nd.

Baez has made 3 of the 6 outs. Both innings had potential to be bigger, but 5-0 is a good start.

Now if Wood can pitch like he did the last time out, we're OK.