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Bryant's AB was the key....show a little patience for God's sake. He swung and missed the same exact pitch 3 straight times. All three were balls.
 

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Do we have to lose the game every fucking time our bullpen blows a lead?

Forget all that pateince the Cubs had at the beginning of the season, they'll just swing at every fucking pitch with little to no outs and can't score shit with bases loaded every single time.


They did win the Reds game that the bullpen blew.
 

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...Ya they need to get another guy in the pen. Personally I hope they start to use Edwards more now. He seems to be getting guys out.
 

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I have no faith in this team come playoff time. We can't create runs in close game and the blowpen is fucking trash.
 

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I have no faith in this team come playoff time. We can't create runs in close game and the blowpen is fucking trash.

The guys blowing leads this month won't be in the pen come playoff time.

Peralta stunk, but Strop actually did his job. The D let us down.
 

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Bryant's AB was the key....show a little patience for God's sake. He swung and missed the same exact pitch 3 straight times. All three were balls.

It was key. He had nasty 2-seam movement and it was fooling all of the RH. What is annoying to me, is they didn't a HR from Bryant. They did not even need a single. They just needed a flyball or a ground ball. This team has struggled of late with situational hitting; especially late in games. I think both Bryant and Rizzo are still too power hungry, young, what ever you want to call. Late in games they want that big HR, instead of focusing on putting the ball in play.

The Cubs need a better approach late in close games against top tier bullpen arms.

They also need to get healthier because Wood as a pinch runner is ridiculous.
 

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They definitely need Fowler and LaStella back..

What Maddon needs to do is scratch that 8th reliever, which is peralta and add another bench guy

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The typical east coast basis was pretty easily shot down in that interview. I actually felt kind of sorry for that guy. He really came across as a dolt.
That was poor on both sides from hosts to guest.
 

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That was poor on both sides from hosts to guest.

I didn't see much bad on Spiegle's and Rozner's sides to be honest. I think they clobbered the guy's argument and dude's comeback was to compare Bryant to Miguel Cabrera as an argument that Bryant was bad and then scream for five minutes.

I loved the line where he told Massarotti he realized he wasn't trolling but instead took full ownership of his "bad sports thoughts".
 

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Wonder if the Cubs could send the entire team down to Iowa?

Possibly the '69 Cubs.

It's the Reds, so i'm not impressed. We rarely do it against teams that are playing above .500

I have no faith in this team come playoff time. We can't create runs in close game and the blowpen is fucking trash.

Nothing to see here.
 

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I have no faith in this team come playoff time. We can't create runs in close game and the blowpen is fucking trash.

Our bullpen's ERA is over 5.00 since May 25th. More often than not we are losing games due to those guys not holding leads - not the lack of clutch hitting in the 9th. How many times have we seen miraculous wiggling off the hook with the tying run on 3rd and less than 2 outs in the last two weeks? Twice in the Cardinals series. Once in the Marlins series. Last night? Regression to the mean is a real thing. Eventually the law of averages prevails.

The sky is not falling. Our one weakness is glaring and concerning. But it's not totally unfixable. There's at least 3 relievers we can go get and fix this problem. Doolittle just hit the DL, and that lowers his price a little bit. The Yankees will stop being ridiculous on Miller and realize that despite not getting Schwarber off us that what package we will offer is still better than anything that anyone else is going to be willing to part with. Chapman is a half year rental and wouldn't cost us much (but potential locker room chemistry?).


That being said, I'll venture a guess that we won't have too many "come from behind" wins this year due to a number of factors.

1. Our offense is good and won't need to come from behind all that much
2. Our rotation is good and won't get us down early all that much
3. Our bullpen has nowhere to go but up - and Joe will be tightening it up and relying heavily on Doolittle/Miller/Chapman (whoever we go get) + Strop & Rondon to get us through the 7th-9th only.
4. We play "screw the closer" pretty well when we do have a lead after we chase a starter.
 

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Our bullpen's ERA is over 5.00 since May 25th. More often than not we are losing games due to those guys not holding leads - not the lack of clutch hitting in the 9th. How many times have we seen miraculous wiggling off the hook with the tying run on 3rd and less than 2 outs in the last two weeks? Twice in the Cardinals series. Once in the Marlins series. Last night? Regression to the mean is a real thing. Eventually the law of averages prevails.

The sky is not falling. Our one weakness is glaring and concerning. But it's not totally unfixable. There's at least 3 relievers we can go get and fix this problem. Doolittle just hit the DL, and that lowers his price a little bit. The Yankees will stop being ridiculous on Miller and realize that despite not getting Schwarber off us that what package we will offer is still better than anything that anyone else is going to be willing to part with. Chapman is a half year rental and wouldn't cost us much (but potential locker room chemistry?).


That being said, I'll venture a guess that we won't have too many "come from behind" wins this year due to a number of factors.

1. Our offense is good and won't need to come from behind all that much
2. Our rotation is good and won't get us down early all that much
3. Our bullpen has nowhere to go but up - and Joe will be tightening it up and relying heavily on Doolittle/Miller/Chapman (whoever we go get) + Strop & Rondon to get us through the 7th-9th only.
4. We play "screw the closer" pretty well when we do have a lead after we chase a starter.

There are other options besides those three pitchers and I really expect them to look in those directions rather than overpaying. If Chapman didn't come with the character issues I'd be higher on him but he does and he only wants to pitch the 9th inning. I don't think Rondon has done anything to lose his job and I don't think this team treats people that way. I've said before that Fernando Abad won't cost much and frankly, with the Twins being godawful, it wouldn't shock me if they made a trade for him soon. If it didn't work there's still time for another move. There's still more to be excited about here than worried.
 

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I didn't see much bad on Spiegle's and Rozner's sides to be honest. I think they clobbered the guy's argument and dude's comeback was to compare Bryant to Miguel Cabrera as an argument that Bryant was bad and then scream for five minutes.

I loved the line where he told Massarotti he realized he wasn't trolling but instead took full ownership of his "bad sports thoughts".
For me it was when they tried to bring in age, experience. Neither of those had anything to do with the topic really. They tried to sidebar most of the interview.
 

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There are other options besides those three pitchers and I really expect them to look in those directions rather than overpaying. If Chapman didn't come with the character issues I'd be higher on him but he does and he only wants to pitch the 9th inning. I don't think Rondon has done anything to lose his job and I don't think this team treats people that way. I've said before that Fernando Abad won't cost much and frankly, with the Twins being godawful, it wouldn't shock me if they made a trade for him soon. If it didn't work there's still time for another move. There's still more to be excited about here than worried.

We need someone who shuts the door, IMO. I'd be okay with Fernando Abad, but I'd hope that wouldn't be it.
 

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I get why people want to rag on the bullpen but honestly still think the issue is the fact that the cubs are often terrible at hitting with RISP. They aren't capitalizing on opportunities throughout the game which keeps games tighter than it needs to be. For example, last night they were 0-7 with RISP and they left 11 guys on base. If you contrast that with when they score big like say the 9-2 game in cincy, they were 3-9 with RISP and they left 8 on. The 7-2 game vs cincy they were 3-11 with RISP and left 9 guys on.

NL "average" batting average is .259 this year. Only Bryant, Szczur, Ross, Contreras, Almora and Rizzo are above that with RISP. You also have a few guys like Russell, Fowler and Zobrist who have really high OBP with RISP but they often have trouble getting that one hit needed to break things open. Overall as a team they aren't really "bad" at it as they hit .266/.381/.461 which if you go by batting average is 14th best in the majors or if you go by OBP they are 3rd. Also, Baez can't hit RHP right now though he's been quite good vs LHP and mean while Russell is the opposite. Montero can't hit anything and Heyward hasn't hit for average this year. That makes managing around jams a lot easier for an opposing manager.

Ultimately, bullpens blow leads. That's just the nature of things. In my opinion, you don't fix their issues in close games by addressing the bullpen because no bullpen is ever fail proof. You fix it by figuring out how to score more runs. I've given this a fair bit of thought and I don't exactly have the most solid answer on how to do that. It's tricky because you want guys like Russell and Baez to play in order to grow as players. So, sometimes you just have to live with their struggles in the hope that down the line it pays off. Plus both Baez and Russell provide a lot on defense and the same goes for Heyward. That said, playing high average types like Almora and Contreras should help alleviate some of those issues.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't add to their bullpen at all. As I've said for awhile, I think they need a lefty specialist like Abad. All I'm saying is people weren't noticing issues when they were averaging 6.18 runs/g on offense in April. When they've dropped to around 5 a game in May/June it's become an issue. The cubs lead the majors in OBP at .360. They are 15th in batting average. If they find ways to get higher average guys in the line up be it platoons, trades.... whatever, they're gonna score more runs and close games are less of an issue.
 

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I'm thinking they should start using Edwards more now. Last 7 games he has opened some eyes.

My main problem was Grimm. But over those 7 games he has run a 2.35 ERA.

Maybe he is stating to get past what ever was going on

So IMO it falls on Joe. Joe keeps the same guys in the same situations. He needs to see if Edwards can handle a tight game vs pitching in a laugher.
 

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