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Can he get a few walks before we anoint him as being able to play every position at once?

He has also walked more this month. Also, what does walking have to do with him being able to play ever position?
 

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Most teams would love to have Baez on their bench. Plus D and can hit it out on any pitch.

The walk issue falls behind. Sure if he was at 10% he becomes starter value. But I feel that will come as he matures.

The Cubs would not be where they are now with out him
 

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Most teams would love to have Baez on their bench. Plus D and can hit it out on any pitch.

The walk issue falls behind. Sure if he was at 10% he becomes starter value. But I feel that will come as he matures.

The Cubs would not be where they are now with out him

Baez has been extremely valuable. Kris Bryant and his versatility is what has allowed the Cubs to take the hits to the lineup.
 

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Baez has been extremely valuable. Kris Bryant and his versatility is what has allowed the Cubs to take the hits to the lineup.

Exactly. How many games has Bryant sat in a different spot while Baez was at 3rd. Bryant gets all of the attention but Baez makes it possible. Add to it when Baez is at 3rd the D improves.
 

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He has also walked more this month. Also, what does walking have to do with him being able to play ever position?
I'll believe he can walk more when he quiets his swing consistently. As for the other comment, you missed the vision where the rest of the players were on the bench while Baez played every position. ;)
 

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If it makes people feel better. Cubs are 11 up and like a 97% chance to win the division. lol
 

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If it makes people feel better. Cubs are 11 up and like a 97% chance to win the division. lol

Exactly. Yet you wander into the the Trade/Deadline Rumors thread and you'd think the Cubs were just on the cusp of being a contender. Trade, trade, trade....give up anything for a spot lefty that pitches to two hitters a game. Don't get me wrong. They could use a lefty that can actually get left handed hitters out...they just don't need THAT lefty. Others will be available and won't cost the future to get them.
 

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Exactly. Yet you wander into the the Trade/Deadline Rumors thread and you'd think the Cubs were just on the cusp of being a contender. Trade, trade, trade....give up anything for a spot lefty that pitches to two hitters a game. Don't get me wrong. They could use a lefty that can actually get left handed hitters out...they just don't need THAT lefty. Others will be available and won't cost the future to get them.

Funny thing, Travis Wood has actually been better against lefties than Miller but names and stuff.
 

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Exactly. Yet you wander into the the Trade/Deadline Rumors thread and you'd think the Cubs were just on the cusp of being a contender. Trade, trade, trade....give up anything for a spot lefty that pitches to two hitters a game. Don't get me wrong. They could use a lefty that can actually get left handed hitters out...they just don't need THAT lefty. Others will be available and won't cost the future to get them.

the most ridiculous concept out there is that they need to make some huge trade because, you know, "you gotta go for it". I don't even know what that means. When fully healthy this is one of the most talented, deepest clubs in baseball and was built that way from the start. When you lose a premier left handed bat to start the season and then ho hum it to a 25-6 start I'd say you're pretty good. Making a big trade seems to be confused with actually tweaking and improving an already strong team.

Yes the team needs a better lefty than Clayton Richard, but Andrew Miller is not the only guy that can help there. I've mention Abad from teh Twins several times and there are others. It's still possible Joe Nathan can help. The team is exploring stuff and the first thing they explore isn't to send a potentially explosive left handed power bat for a guy who pitches 60 innings a year no matter what Joe Sheehan has to say. As far as from the right side it looks to me like Carl Edwards Jr. might have something to say about who gets the innings there. The kid has phenomenal stuff and if his command keeps improving he's as dangerous a relief arm as you'll find.

The goal is to improve not to make some big move that proves your trying. Theo, Jed, Maddon and all the rest have proven that already.
 

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No, we need to trade a "potential" top 10 hitter who is a defensive liability coming off a serious injury due to his defensive liability away for a proven top LH reliever, those of which are hard to come by and are huge assets in the plyoffs. Championship!

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And yes, you do need to "go for it" because opportunities are rare in all sports but especially in Chicago baseball. Improvements in all areas make sense. The team is loaded with bats, even in the minors, but not with arms. Miller can prove to be a differentiator and we'd be dealing from a strength. Heck, we're a top team without Schwarber this year and the bullpen has been the weak link.
 

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And yes, you do need to "go for it" because opportunities are rare in all sports but especially in Chicago baseball. Improvements in all areas make sense. The team is loaded with bats, even in the minors, but not with arms. Miller can prove to be a differentiator and we'd be dealing from a strength. Heck, we're a top team without Schwarber this year and the bullpen has been the weak link.

Awful. The best way to ensure that the Cubs win a WS, and hopefully several WS, is to get to the playoffs as many times as possible. That's the only way you can mitigate small sample size variance that inevitably bites you in the ass at times. The Cubs are not going to sacrifice foundational pieces to "go for it" in a single year. Epstein & Co. have been crystal clear in that.
 

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And yes, you do need to "go for it" because opportunities are rare in all sports but especially in Chicago baseball. Improvements in all areas make sense. The team is loaded with bats, even in the minors, but not with arms. Miller can prove to be a differentiator and we'd be dealing from a strength. Heck, we're a top team without Schwarber this year and the bullpen has been the weak link.

That bolded part is where you really lose me. This team has been built to win for several years how does the past predict the future? Because other Cubs teams haven't been built for the long term? To me this is a silly as the bit about "they have to win this year because it's been 108 years". I'm not interested in a one year juggernaut I want multiple opportunities to root for a playoff team with legitimate WS chances. The playoffs are a crapshoot the key is to win your division so you don't have to go through the WC game. After that it's about who's hot, who's not and match ups. Going forward this team does need pitching because the best pitching prospects are 2-3 years away so even if you do consider trading Schwarber why trade him at his lowest value for a a relief pitcher when a healthy left handed hitter of that caliber is the kind of thing you need to trade for TOR starting pitching? Andrew Miller is an excellent relief pitcher but does this team need that or just a very good LOOGY of which there are other options that won't cost a potential top 10 MLB bat. We've all waited our lifetimes for an organization this good, with this much talent and the idea of trading for a pen arm with a guy at his lowest value makes ZERO sense to me.
 

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Awful. The best way to ensure that the Cubs win a WS, and hopefully several WS, is to get to the playoffs as many times as possible. That's the only way you can mitigate small sample size variance that inevitably bites you in the ass at times. The Cubs are not going to sacrifice foundational pieces to "go for it" in a single year. Epstein & Co. have been crystal clear in that.

You cannot ensure a single World Series let alone several. You have to treat each year differently. Each year is different with injuries and performances. If you are missing a key piece, you go get it. Giving up Schwarber would have no impact on this team whatsoever, a team that can win it all this year with the hitting it has. The #1 goal of every year is to win the Championship. Being close does not matter unless you are a fan of the Cubs slogan of "Wait til next year."

That bolded part is where you really lose me. This team has been built to win for several years how does the past predict the future? Because other Cubs teams haven't been built for the long term? To me this is a silly as the bit about "they have to win this year because it's been 108 years". I'm not interested in a one year juggernaut I want multiple opportunities to root for a playoff team with legitimate WS chances. The playoffs are a crapshoot the key is to win your division so you don't have to go through the WC game. After that it's about who's hot, who's not and match ups. Going forward this team does need pitching because the best pitching prospects are 2-3 years away so even if you do consider trading Schwarber why trade him at his lowest value for a a relief pitcher when a healthy left handed hitter of that caliber is the kind of thing you need to trade for TOR starting pitching? Andrew Miller is an excellent relief pitcher but does this team need that or just a very good LOOGY of which there are other options that won't cost a potential top 10 MLB bat. We've all waited our lifetimes for an organization this good, with this much talent and the idea of trading for a pen arm with a guy at his lowest value makes ZERO sense to me.

The Chicago Cubs have been the laughingstock of all of baseball and sports as a whole for many decades. They are known as chokers and the Lovable Losers. That is a stigma on the whole organization whether the current players buy into or not. If they choke it away this year, they will be the brunt of so many more jokes as there are expectations on them now.

You have no guarantees going forward. Try to win this year. Giving up a good hitter who is terrible in the field for a top end left handed relief pitcher is a trade from our strength to fill our weakness. We don't need Schwarber this year or any other year. This team will be good for many years and the current hitters will get better yet. Pitching is a differentiator. Look at KC last year and how great their pen was along with the rental of Cueto. They went for it and they have a championship that nobody can take away from them.

I love how Bowman makes moves EVERY year at the deadline. Nothing major but he acquires key pieces focusing on that year because that is where the focus should be. His approach has led to championships yet they are competitive every year due to how the organization is run as a whole. The Hawks are looked highly upon in sports. The Cubs will be the laughingstock of all sports until they win a World Series. To not think that 108 year stretch comes into play in naïve. I believe Theo has a sack.
 

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That bolded part is where you really lose me. This team has been built to win for several years how does the past predict the future? Because other Cubs teams haven't been built for the long term? To me this is a silly as the bit about "they have to win this year because it's been 108 years". I'm not interested in a one year juggernaut I want multiple opportunities to root for a playoff team with legitimate WS chances. The playoffs are a crapshoot the key is to win your division so you don't have to go through the WC game. After that it's about who's hot, who's not and match ups. Going forward this team does need pitching because the best pitching prospects are 2-3 years away so even if you do consider trading Schwarber why trade him at his lowest value for a a relief pitcher when a healthy left handed hitter of that caliber is the kind of thing you need to trade for TOR starting pitching? Andrew Miller is an excellent relief pitcher but does this team need that or just a very good LOOGY of which there are other options that won't cost a potential top 10 MLB bat. We've all waited our lifetimes for an organization this good, with this much talent and the idea of trading for a pen arm with a guy at his lowest value makes ZERO sense to me.

Really. I couldn't give a flying **** what happened in the past....that's gone, it's history. I care about what's happening today and tomorrow.


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You cannot ensure a single World Series let alone several. You have to treat each year differently. Each year is different with injuries and performances. If you are missing a key piece, you go get it. Giving up Schwarber would have no impact on this team whatsoever, a team that can win it all this year with the hitting it has. The #1 goal of every year is to win the Championship. Being close does not matter unless you are a fan of the Cubs slogan of "Wait til next year."



The Chicago Cubs have been the laughingstock of all of baseball and sports as a whole for many decades. They are known as chokers and the Lovable Losers. That is a stigma on the whole organization whether the current players buy into or not. If they choke it away this year, they will be the brunt of so many more jokes as there are expectations on them now.

You have no guarantees going forward. Try to win this year. Giving up a good hitter who is terrible in the field for a top end left handed relief pitcher is a trade from our strength to fill our weakness. We don't need Schwarber this year or any other year. This team will be good for many years and the current hitters will get better yet. Pitching is a differentiator. Look at KC last year and how great their pen was along with the rental of Cueto. They went for it and they have a championship that nobody can take away from them.

I love how Bowman makes moves EVERY year at the deadline. Nothing major but he acquires key pieces focusing on that year because that is where the focus should be. His approach has led to championships yet they are competitive every year due to how the organization is run as a whole. The Hawks are looked highly upon in sports. The Cubs will be the laughingstock of all sports until they win a World Series. To not think that 108 year stretch comes into play in naïve. I believe Theo has a sack.

Your post is full of contradictions. You say you can't guarantee a World Series and yet your sure that Miller can make that happen. You say that you love what Bowman does with the Hawks but admit that he doesn't make major moves, just tweaks to address the needs. Yet here you are looking to trade a major piece, a potential All Star piece at his lowest value for Miller which is sort of like asking for ball-peen hammer and getting a sledgehammer while paying for 10 sledgehammers. Fernando Abad would probably cost a piece like Vogelbach, who really doesn't matter in future plans and lefties are hitting .139 against him. You've already got your long left handed piece in Travis Wood who lefties are hitting .155 against and righties are hitting .164 against. I'm not against trading Schwarber, I'm against trading him at his lowest value when you might well need a piece like that for a starting pitcher in the near future. I'm also not against trading for Miller but if I'm doing that I'm offering good prospects for him and if that's not good enough I look at Abad or other options. Miller for Schwarber is a massive overpay. It's as simple as that.
 

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Trading Schwarber would be stupid unless it is to Fla to get Fernandez in return

That is an acceptable trade. Not for a bullpen arm. That deal calls for Vogelbach or Soler as the main player with a add
 

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