IST: Cubs vs Cardinals

[greg23]

Because there was nothing I said that needed to be debated ....

But continue on if you choose..

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You said the call didn't affect the inning (wrong, complete opposite of the truth)

Now you're changing your tune and saying lackey could have s got out of the inning (no shit)

 

[DanTown]

Huh????

What is up with you people on here..lol

Doesn't anyone really read what written?

I never said anything about the strike called ball..lol

Again

Yes it was a horrible call lol


I only pointed out a few hundred post ago in a response to someone..

Yes it was a terrible call but Lackey still could of came back with a good pitch AFTER THE BAD CALL and gotten the pitcher out instead of letting the BAD CALL affect him and end up leaving a pitch over heart of plate that pitcher was able to handle and line a single to CF..


That All..lol


Geesh..
Watching replays of game on sports networks now, even their saying Lackey needed to shake that off and come back with a good pitch to get him out.. especially in a big game like it was..





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You realize Lackey, like the rest of the planet, is human? And the "he should just come back and throw a good pitch" isn't understanding the human element of how he'd feel in that situation? This wasn't not getting a close pitch; this was an extreme situation.

It doesn't surprise me that you can't understand that because you seemingly only post when something goes/is going wrong.

The Cubs won the game 8-2 but go back and read every single post you made and tell me what a logical person who had no idea what the score of the game would have guessed it to be solely based on your posts.

 

[beckdawg]

Honestly I got no issue with Lackey getting himself tossed. He was basically done anyways and it was a bullshit call. What bothers me is more that Contreras got himself tossed. I didn't see anything in replays that was overtly aggressive toward the ump. Ump has gotta have a bit more patience there and Contreras if he did do something wrong has to know the situation better.

I get the feeling this will trigger more calls for robo umps but I'm still not in favor of that idea. I'm of the opinion baseball is always better with some subjectivity because it gives both teams someone to hate. But I do wonder a couple of things about umpire selection. First of all, why do home plate umps rotate? It seems pretty evident to me that seeing pitches is an actual skill. We can see this with batters in various leagues. So, just because you're trained doesn't mean you necessarily see the ball well. What I'd like to see is for MLB to find guys who flame out in the minors as players for whatever reason but have shown a good plate discipline and train them to be home plate umps. It bugs me when a guy like Kris Bryant so obviously sees pitches better than most humans and yet he's relying on someone no where near as skilled as he is to call it.

From my stand point it's a win win. The quality of calls should improve and the MLB gets to help out guys in the minors who flame out rather than throwing them to the wolves often with no college education and no work history outside of baseball. Plus, you have to imagine former players handle ump vs player situations better as they've been on the other end.

 

[chibears55]

You said the call didn't affect the inning (wrong, complete opposite of the truth)

Now you're changing your tune and saying lackey could have s got out of the inning (no shit)

holy Cow..lol
here my response to you again to your origional post


Quote Originally Posted by greg23 View Post
Strike 3 over the middle of the plate for the 3rd out called a ball leads to a run on the next pitch buy it didn't affect the inning?
Sounds like a one run screwup on the umpire.

it did but didn't affect the inning

Ok he called it a ball but nothing happened because of it..

You got the pitcher up there 2 strikes 2 outs, come back and make another good pitch to get him..


so, guess to be clearer in my answer to you there.. yes it was a bad call but that call didn't do anything but make Lackey throw another pitch, the next pitch is what hurt him more with giving up the single to a pitcher..

If you don't agree that fine, but I'm not saying anything here that others (baseball people) aren't saying when talking about it

 

[chibears55]

You realize Lackey, like the rest of the planet, is human? And the "he should just come back and throw a good pitch" isn't understanding the human element of how he'd feel in that situation? This wasn't not getting a close pitch; this was an extreme situation.

It doesn't surprise me that you can't understand that because you seemingly only post when something goes/is going wrong.

The Cubs won the game 8-2 but go back and read every single post you made and tell me what a logical person who had no idea what the score of the game would have guessed it to be solely based on your posts.

ok.. so then that on Lackey then if that the case

ive seen tons of pitchers in BIG situations come back after a bad call and make a good pitch..

he was facing a pitcher with 2 strikes on him, don't leave a hittable pitch over the plate


sorry if you cant quite comprehend me saying yes it was a bad call but that pitch wasn't what hurt him, the next pitch was

not sure what so confusing about that


ok.. I'm done here on this topic ..

 

[Diehardfan]

Wow....

Looks like everyone is on to Debbie Downer.

:rofl:

 

[Diehardfan]

Wow....

Looks like everyone is on to Debbie Downer.

:rofl:

 

[fatbeard]

Honestly I got no issue with Lackey getting himself tossed. He was basically done anyways and it was a bullshit call. What bothers me is more that Contreras got himself tossed. I didn't see anything in replays that was overtly aggressive toward the ump. Ump has gotta have a bit more patience there and Contreras if he did do something wrong has to know the situation better.

I get the feeling this will trigger more calls for robo umps but I'm still not in favor of that idea. I'm of the opinion baseball is always better with some subjectivity because it gives both teams someone to hate. But I do wonder a couple of things about umpire selection. First of all, why do home plate umps rotate? It seems pretty evident to me that seeing pitches is an actual skill. We can see this with batters in various leagues. So, just because you're trained doesn't mean you necessarily see the ball well. What I'd like to see is for MLB to find guys who flame out in the minors as players for whatever reason but have shown a good plate discipline and train them to be home plate umps. It bugs me when a guy like Kris Bryant so obviously sees pitches better than most humans and yet he's relying on someone no where near as skilled as he is to call it.

From my stand point it's a win win. The quality of calls should improve and the MLB gets to help out guys in the minors who flame out rather than throwing them to the wolves often with no college education and no work history outside of baseball. Plus, you have to imagine former players handle ump vs player situations better as they've been on the other end.

An automated strike zone does not alleviate the need for an ump at every base, including home. You still get your subjectivity and everyone else gets the strike zone the way it's supposed to be called.

 

[anotheridiot]

Fucking Kool aid
They kiss Joe's ass after he pinch runs Stella with the only backup shortstop and wastes 2 guys, then use Davis for 25 pitches with a 6 run lead. I don't think Joe has that horeshoe up his ass like game 7.

 

[Globetrotter]

Was happy to see Bryant making me look like an ass for talking shit about his hitting with RISP.

Jon Jay continues to play well and everyone still hates.

 

[Diehardfan]

Fucking Kool aid
They kiss Joe's ass after he pinch runs Stella with the only backup shortstop and wastes 2 guys, then use Davis for 25 pitches with a 6 run lead. I don't think Joe has that horeshoe up his ass like game 7.

Davis has pitched in one game in the last 9 days....what, are you saving him for Christmas?

 

[Diehardfan]

Was happy to see Bryant making me look like an ass for talking shit about his hitting with RISP.

Jon Jay continues to play well and everyone still hates.

Not everyone...pretty much just one guy. But he hates enough for 10 of us. Personally, I like him because he's the total opposite of the luckless Heyward....he gets cheap, ugly hits.

 

[TL1961]

Was happy to see Bryant making me look like an ass for talking shit about his hitting with RISP.

Jon Jay continues to play well and everyone still hates.

Define "play well".

Batting 284 with no power or D?

I believe he is a reason for our record dropping off. Almora starting would be better. Others here seem to love batting average. (which is far from great BTW)

He hasn't been terrible, but he has been waaaaaaayyyyy less than two of you here want to believe.

 

[Globetrotter]

Define "play well".

Batting 284 with no power or D?

I believe he is a reason for our record dropping off. Almora starting would be better. Others here seem to love batting average. (which is far from great BTW)

He hasn't been terrible, but he has been waaaaaaayyyyy less than two of you here want to believe.

Can you tell me what YOU would consider playing well? Not trying to be argumentative.

Almora should be starting. Over Schwarber, the guy who does not play well.

Brewers just took the lead.

 

[chibears55]

Was happy to see Bryant making me look like an ass for talking shit about his hitting with RISP.

Jon Jay continues to play well and everyone still hates.

Not everyone...
Just some debby downers [emoji6]

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[TL1961]

Can you tell me what YOU would consider playing well? Not trying to be argumentative.

Almora should be starting. Over Schwarber, the guy who does not play well.

Brewers just took the lead.

Since the all star break, Schwarber is batting 257 with 900 OPS. And that's the guy ripped every day.

I am the last guy on here to be called debby downer! I am one who understands WS hangover, and still expected my team to win the central. On board w rebuild Day One, never waivered, and my support was rewarded.

The fact that I have seen Jay for six years, and I was aware what he would/wouldn't bring, does not make me negative. Simply able to see what he is. Average at best, yet Chibear55 praises him every day.

Please explain constant praise for a guy who plays poor D in CF (no clue where a ball is headed, and us always picking them up after they fall). Hitting 284 with average speed and no power. What in God's name are you praising? It can only be batting avg because it was .303 at one point.

Headed to the "empty .278" I predicted in spring.

I don't root against him. I just see we are not nearly as good with him as we were before.

 

[TL1961]

Can you tell me what YOU would consider playing well? Not trying to be argumentative.

Almora should be starting. Over Schwarber, the guy who does not play well.

Brewers just took the lead.

Ops. Power. Score some runs. Drive somebody in. Play D. Have a clue.

 

[Diehardfan]

Ops. Power. Score some runs. Drive somebody in. Play D. Have a clue.

Blinded by Cardinal hate. He's had all of about 200 extra base hits in his entire career....over 3000 ABs. Why do you expect him to suddenly have power? He does what he's supposed to do....get on base .373 and score runs...59 of them. If he played a full season, he scores 100. He doesn't have a great glove but I'm sure the Cubs knew that going in. Asking this guy to be a power hitter is like asking Hendricks to throw a 100 MPH fastball. He is what he is and I'm fairly certain the Cubs are happy at what he's bringing to the table.

 

[beckdawg]

Sahadev Sharma ✔ @sahadevsharma
I've triple checked this because I still don't believe it, but through 147 games the Nationals lead the NL with 755 runs. The Cubs have 754.

 

[chibears55]

Sahadev Sharma [emoji818] @sahadevsharma
I've triple checked this because I still don't believe it, but through 147 games the Nationals lead the NL with 755 runs. The Cubs have 754.

I believe their also 2nd in HRs to the Mets in NL..

I'd like to see a break down with the runs scored..
Seems like they had so many games where they struggled to get runs, just curious to see if they have a large amount of games where they scored like 7 or more and 10 or more...

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