IST: Cubs vs. Nats

[Diehardfan]

So what's your point, most if not all posters know this team has shortcomings this year but choose to just watch the games and see what happens. You on the other hand just come in here and chirp your same ole. Fucking seek help...get a hobby, do something fun...loser.

Hey Spunk....did you know that the CCS has a very different ignore system now? No more being forced to read the redacted shit that dickwads like Garvin, Johnson, ChiBear regurgitate. They now get wiped clean from the CCS.....no respones, no new posts and all previous posts erased from existence. It's pretty sweet....wipe em clean and let them whine to each other.

 

[JimJohnson]

Hey Spunk....did you know that the CCS has a very different ignore system now? No more being forced to read the redacted shit that dickwads like Garvin, Johnson, ChiBear regurgitate. They now get wiped clean from the CCS.....no respones, no new posts and all previous posts erased from existence. It's pretty sweet....wipe em clean and let them whine to each other.

Truth hurts

 

[CSF77]

What is the point of your post? Do you realize STL is gaining ground on us?

good.

The Cubs do not deserve to be in first this year. That is from a realist point of view vs a fan boi point of view.

They do not compete with teams that are at their level.

They do not win on the road.

They are a team build too akin. As in Theo drafted the same player type and did not go after a solid mix of talent. Pitching and hitting.

They do not adapt well to the changes in their own home park.

The rotation lacks impact talent. Darvish is the closest thing that plays up to an ace.

They need to blow it up IMO. This run has run it's course. But they have some interesting prospect upwelling. Marquez and Amaya both look like top 50 prospects and core pieces. Davis IMO a core hitter.

IMO they should just start dealing this winter and go for a 2 year reset. They are stuck with Lester and that is fine. He makes a decent #5 starter. But they should think of trading Bryant for prospects to go along with Amaya and Marquez.

That is what I see right now. They are going into a hot NYM team and I just see the same scenario. Sweep by another NL contender.

So ya they do suck again and they still suck. And they will continue to suck until they get a turn over. And honestly I question that because of the crew running the ship.

 

[CSF77]

They're starting to realize what I've been telling them all along..
They're a 85 win team, and a 500 team since beginning of May..

Inconsistencies all up and down this roster with a lame duck manager running it..

You are not wrong. I'm predicting 15 more wins this year.

 

[CSF77]

Regardless I'm alittle disgruntled with this team ATM but I still believe that they need to turn over this offseason. The payroll is at 246 Mil and they are going to need to cut ties with Bryant. He is looking at a moster pay day and the Cubs are going to get worse by paying him. We should look at the Nats as a team that had to make a tough decision and walk but got better after.

Bryant is going to get a top 100 prospect and a 2nd player that plays up. Most teams will pull the trigger on it.

Baez IMO they should lock up. At worst he gets moved to 3B when Nico promotes next year. Over all a cheaper solution going forward.

On the rotation I would go with Rea and give him a opportunity to establish himself as a MLB starter as a Cub in 2020. 14-3 3.74 ERA really deserves an opportunity because some one else will give it if not.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Truth hurts

The garbage you spew isn't earth shattering, it's not. Cubs nation is well aware of the shortfalls of this team. You/chi55/Fred really come across like you are the baseball gurus that keeps this board informed when really your posts are like walking thru a park with an occasional pile of dog poo you have to step over.

 

[CSF77]

The garbage you spew isn't earth shattering, it's not. Cubs nation is well aware of the shortfalls of this team. You/chi55/Fred really come across like you are the baseball gurus that keeps this board informed when really your posts are like walking thru a park with an occasional pile of dog poo you have to step over.

Misery enjoys company.

You are right though. We all know that this team is a train wreck playing in the worst division in baseball giving the illusion of competence. It serves nothing to say told you so. That makes you a Cards fan wearing Cubs gear.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

good.

The Cubs do not deserve to be in first this year. That is from a realist point of view vs a fan boi point of view.

They do not compete with teams that are at their level.

They do not win on the road.

They are a team build too akin. As in Theo drafted the same player type and did not go after a solid mix of talent. Pitching and hitting.

They do not adapt well to the changes in their own home park.

The rotation lacks impact talent. Darvish is the closest thing that plays up to an ace.

They need to blow it up IMO. This run has run it's course. But they have some interesting prospect upwelling. Marquez and Amaya both look like top 50 prospects and core pieces. Davis IMO a core hitter.

IMO they should just start dealing this winter and go for a 2 year reset. They are stuck with Lester and that is fine. He makes a decent #5 starter. But they should think of trading Bryant for prospects to go along with Amaya and Marquez.

That is what I see right now. They are going into a hot NYM team and I just see the same scenario. Sweep by another NL contender.

So ya they do suck again and they still suck. And they will continue to suck until they get a turn over. And honestly I question that because of the crew running the ship.

Hendricks, Q and Yu make a solid top 3.

I agree mostly, not sure what you consider a blow up but yes some changes should be in the works. As much as I like KB will there be enough $ for him and Javy, I keep Javy and get good return for KB(**** Scott Boras).

As far as the hot Mets this team is so up and down who knows what will happen in the Apple?

 

[JimJohnson]

Hendricks, Q and Yu make a solid top 3.

I agree mostly, not sure what you consider a blow up but yes some changes should be in the works. As much as I like KB will there be enough $ for him and Javy, I keep Javy and get good return for KB(**** Scott Boras).

As far as the hot Mets this team is so up and down who knows what will happen in the Apple?

Q is gone after 2020. Yu still hasn't proven much. When he dominates for a full season, I'll get excited.

 

[zack54attack]

This team. Yikes!

 

[Fred Garvin]

You ever thought about killing yaself? Save you the cramps in ya hand. Just a thought

I'm fine man. I'm just talking reality...sharing actual stats and numbers...and not being delusional about this overrated team. I want the Cubs to win more than anybody here...but it's not life or death. You suggesting I kill myself shows a much deeper obsession and mental sickness than anything I could possibly exhibit.

 

[JimJohnson]

I'm fine man. I'm just talking reality...sharing actual stats and numbers...and not being delusional about this overrated team. I want the Cubs to win more than anybody here...but it's not life or death. You suggesting I kill myself shows a much deeper obsession and mental sickness than anything I could possibly exhibit.

I have to admit, even taking Silence's extremely dark sarcasm into mind, suggesting that someone go kill themselves is really disgusting.

 

[DrGonzo]

I don't think this team should be blown up or completely rebuilt. But change is needed and hardly anyone should be untouchable if the offer is a good one.

 

[Fred Garvin]

The delusion with some fans is the thinking that this team is actually at a championship level. The numbers and facts prove much otherwise. A real fan wants to see this team win for real...not continue to buy into and promote this myth of greatness...or even that they are really good. They are not. Apparently Theo has his relatives on this board since they get so offended when it's rightly pointed out that the arrow points straight to him as the cause of this disaster. Nats have two players in the top 4 of their order who are hitting .300 or better. Others have much higher numbers than what this weak Cubs lineup in putting up...and that with a modest payroll after losing a HOF player in his prime. Nobody comes even close to Rendon as a hitter. .324 103 rbi's....high OPS. Or how about comparing lead off men? Trey Turner is hitting .300 with game changing speed. Compare to Heyward's .265 and under .200 in the month of August. Schwarber had a home run today...but is still waaaay down the list as far as power hitters go. Happ and his .237 average....Russell at .238...Bote in the .250's Our best hitters are in the low .280's....and finding a way to meltdown at the most important part of the season. Castellanos is the Cubs best hitter. Rizzo and Bryant are high in the rankings of OPS numbers....which make me really question the importance and impact of OPS as it relates to actually winning games. This team is 8 games over .500 and falling like an anvil in a Looney Tunes cartoon. In any other division this team wouldn't have a prayer. ..and are 2 1/2 games back in the league's weakest division as it is. Theo has failed. Thanks for 2016...but that is long gone. The leagues 2nd highest payroll and THIS...THIS garbage is the best you can do? We've been waiting 2 years for this team to "turn it on". You guys can keep buying into the Cubs myth of greatness...while they slip ever further into the abyss of the NL Central. 'Lovable Losers'? I don't see much "lovable" about a grossly under achieving baseball team that doesn't even seem to care.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

The delusion with some fans is the thinking that this team is actually at a championship level. The numbers and facts prove much otherwise. A real fan wants to see this team win for real...not continue to buy into and promote this myth of greatness...or even that they are really good. They are not. Apparently Theo has his relatives on this board since they get so offended when it's rightly pointed out that the arrow points straight to him as the cause of this disaster. Nats have two players in the top 4 of their order who are hitting .300 or better. Others have much higher numbers than what this weak Cubs lineup in putting up...and that with a modest payroll after losing a HOF player in his prime. Nobody comes even close to Rendon as a hitter. .324 103 rbi's....high OPS. Or how about comparing lead off men? Trey Turner is hitting .300 with game changing speed. Compare to Heyward's .265 and under .200 in the month of August. Schwarber had a home run today...but is still waaaay down the list as far as power hitters go. Happ and his .237 average....Russell at .238...Bote in the .250's Our best hitters are in the low .280's....and finding a way to meltdown at the most important part of the season. Castellanos is the Cubs best hitter. Rizzo and Bryant are high in the rankings of OPS numbers....which make me really question the importance and impact of OPS as it relates to actually winning games. This team is 8 games over .500 and falling like an anvil in a Looney Tunes cartoon. In any other division this team wouldn't have a prayer. ..and are 2 1/2 games back in the league's weakest division as it is. Theo has failed. Thanks for 2016...but that is long gone. The leagues 2nd highest payroll and THIS...THIS garbage is the best you can do? We've been waiting 2 years for this team to "turn it on". You guys can keep buying into the Cubs myth of greatness...while they slip ever further into the abyss of the NL Central. 'Lovable Losers'? I don't see much "lovable" about a grossly under achieving baseball team that doesn't even seem to care.

Harper has done nothing to be called a hall of famer.

Everyone is very aware of the cubs being mediocre at best. It’s just people realize how annoying it is to be a constant whiny little Nancy like you and several others. There can be constructive criticism of the team and what people think should be done without going into long whining tirades like you do

 

[CSF77]

Hendricks, Q and Yu make a solid top 3.

I agree mostly, not sure what you consider a blow up but yes some changes should be in the works. As much as I like KB will there be enough $ for him and Javy, I keep Javy and get good return for KB(**** Scott Boras).

As far as the hot Mets this team is so up and down who knows what will happen in the Apple?

They need to go into 2020 with a transition vision vs a competitive one.

That means trading Bryant, Chatwood and Quintana. All 3 have trade weight.

I would run a team like:

Darvish, Hendricks, Lester, Rea and Alzolay. Let both mature.

Pen Kimbrel, Ryan, Wick, Mills and Underwood Rest I would sign flyers on.

Starting 8:

LF: Schwarber (has some control and not great trade value)
CF: Almora: Team needs to generate runs from small ball more.
RF: Heyward: Unless he opts out. Ya right.
3B Baez Makes sense to do this early. Extend him while they are at it.
SS: Russell: Generate trade value faster at SS.
2B: I would try to buy low on Scooter Gennett
1B Rizzo. Team capt and all. They should extend him again.
C: Contreras

Now as far as prospects go

AAA Nico. And he should be pushed at SS and take over for Russell who they trade in July.
AA: Amaya and Marquez. Basically both are 2021 potential talent.
A+ Davis and Roederer.

So basically they would be a .500 team IMO. But that turn over would set them up for another run when Marquez and Amaya hit.

I don't see this massive exodus. But they have talent pending and it is natural to trade off Contreras when Amaya promotes up. Russell out when Nico promotes. Davis and Roederer are pretty raw still and we really don't know what they will end up as. Most likely LF/RF types. So looking at a high ceiling CF type and LH SP would be ideal
prospect types to target in returns for these trades.

 

[JimJohnson]

Harper has done nothing to be called a hall of famer.

Everyone is very aware of the cubs being mediocre at best. It’s just people realize how annoying it is to be a constant whiny little Nancy like you and several others. There can be constructive criticism of the team and what people think should be done without going into long whining tirades like you do

I don't know about you but I sure as hell haven't seen many posts stating how the team should be improved in the offseason. All I see is a bunch of shit about how the Cubs will be fine, "get em tomorrow," or citing shit stats about how the Cubs are still the favorites to win the division.

And you say "everyone is very aware of the Cubs being mediocre" which is a flat out lie. There were suggestions made that the Cubs should be sellers at the deadline and those suggestions were shot down with ridicule by most posters around here. So please don't give me that shit about "everyone is very aware of the Cubs being mediocre."

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I don't know about you but I sure as hell haven't seen many posts stating how the team should be improved in the offseason. All I see is a bunch of shit about how the Cubs will be fine, "get em tomorrow," or citing shit stats about how the Cubs are still the favorites to win the division.

And you say "everyone is very aware of the Cubs being mediocre" which is a flat out lie. There were suggestions made that the Cubs should be sellers at the deadline and those suggestions were shot down with ridicule. So please don't give me that shit about "everyone is very aware of the Cubs being mediocre."

I haven’t seen many posts at all. I’m guessing a lot of people have moved on to football season

 

[CSF77]

I don't know about you but I sure as hell haven't seen many posts stating how the team should be improved in the offseason. All I see is a bunch of shit about how the Cubs will be fine, "get em tomorrow," or citing shit stats about how the Cubs are still the favorites to win the division.

And you say "everyone is very aware of the Cubs being mediocre" which is a flat out lie. There were suggestions made that the Cubs should be sellers at the deadline and those suggestions were shot down with ridicule by most posters around here. So please don't give me that shit about "everyone is very aware of the Cubs being mediocre."

Cubs were in it in July. You don't sell if you are in the thick of it. But I do believe most here felt that Joe was out at season end and it made sense to turn over then. It was up to Joe to change Theo's mind on this and he has failed to do so.

I feel that Theo failed by signing the same type of player over and over. Wait for a bad pitch and go yard is low % success rate. It is the all or nothing approach.

They are better off having a diverse line up. That is why investing into Rizzo and Baez as career Cubs makes sense. They are able to adjust their game in the middle of an at bat. They are not limited to a HR swing to be successful. They need more of that.

I feel the same with Nick too but I really don't see the investment worth while at this point and time. His D is lacking and he should be a 1B going forward.

 

[SilenceS]

The sun will come out tomorrow, tomorrow.