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[chibears55]

and I did post that your argument was valid with Montero. Not with Schwarber. Too much proof out there to think he is not factoring into lower performance values in the staff

Again , my whole argument and original post was based on past games..
More specifically in his 8 losses and 6 ND

I said he and more importantly team probably has a couple more wins if Montero started for him instead of Ross..


My only argument with Schwarber is just maddon should be riding the hot bat with a struggling offense over Lester having his personal catcher in the game..

Ross left at least 5 runners on base that i can think of in a 4-3 extra inning game..

You would hope Lester could still be pretty much on his game as a veteran pitcher even though a rookie catching him..

Ive seen that scenario work out ok in the past. ..

 

[CSF77]

Okay let's talk about now not when Montero was in. That is a pointless debate with no Montero right now. BTW I agree with that part but it does little to change what is happening right now.

The fact remains that Hendricks and Hammel were guinea pigs for the Schwarber experience. They both performed worse. Hammel has better stuff and did not suffer as bad. Hendricks depends on location more and got wrecked.

Those are facts.

Adding runs and giving up more runs is 0 net gain.

 

[CSF77]

I'm in the Schwarber to the OF camp btw. But in time. Right now Montero is on the DL and Cog's is hot. You ride it out. When Montero gets back then you have to think Schwarber taking a lesser role at that point. Unless they do something unexpected like move Cog to CF.

 

[FrankieLyrical]

Ehhhh..

Neither has proven anything yet on the major league level with the bat..

Very true, but I'm willing to take a chance on the unknown at this point. Castro has been pretty bad at the plate this year and this is coming from someone who thought it was blasphemous to get rid of him

 

[FrankieLyrical]

Schwarber not in the lineup again.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I'm in the Schwarber to the OF camp btw. But in time. Right now Montero is on the DL and Cog's is hot. You ride it out. When Montero gets back then you have to think Schwarber taking a lesser role at that point. Unless they do something unexpected like move Cog to CF.

I'm at the point where Fowler needs to pick it up or something else needs to be done there. If that's what opens up a spot for Schwarber when Montero comes off the DL, then so be it.

 

[chibears55]

Okay let's talk about now not when Montero was in. That is a pointless debate with no Montero right now. BTW I agree with that part but it does little to change what is happening right now.

The fact remains that Hendricks and Hammel were guinea pigs for the Schwarber experience. They both performed worse. Hammel has better stuff and did not suffer as bad. Hendricks depends on location more and got wrecked.

Those are facts.

Adding runs and giving up more runs is 0 net gain.

Hold on.. how did they perform worse ?

Schwarber starts ..

1. Atlanta (Hendricks) 5.2 ip 4 hits 1 ER 1 BB 5 K

2. Reds (Richard) 5.2 ip 4 hits 3 ER 1 BB 1 K

3. Reds (Hammel) 5 ip 5 hits 1 ER 3 BB 4 K

4. Reds (Hendricks) 6ip 7 hits 5 ER 2 BB 9 K

Your really looking at 1 bad game out of 4 that he caught from those starting pitchers who are the 3rd, 4th, and an add on in their rotation now...

So you realistically dont have much of an argument there in that small sample size...


Im not saying Schwarber anywhere near Ross behind the plate..
I just think the team would benefit more with Schwarber plus bat and ok catching ability over Ross weak bat and plus catching ability overall...

That just my opinion


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[chibears55]

I'm in the Schwarber to the OF camp btw. But in time. Right now Montero is on the DL and Cog's is hot. You ride it out. When Montero gets back then you have to think Schwarber taking a lesser role at that point. Unless they do something unexpected like move Cog to CF.

I dont care where schwarber plays when Montero comes back.. if he still hitting good, he just needs to play..

Just like he needs to be playing now ahead of Ross..
I get sitting today against Hamels but other then sitting against lefties , he and that hot bat should he playing. .

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[FrankieLyrical]

I dont care where schwarber plays when Montero comes back.. if he still hitting good, he just needs to play..

Just like he needs to be playing now ahead of Ross..
I get sitting today against Hamels but other then sitting against lefties , he and that hot bat should he playing. .

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I think the most logical thing to do is have Cogs out in CF and Schwarber in LF when Montero comes back

 

[chibears55]

Gotta be a weird feeling to pitch against a team that you might be pitching for in your next start..

 

[chibears55]

I predict. .... if hamels gets pulled after 5 ip.. Cubs traded for him.. jed and theo wanted to watch him pitch

 

[TL1961]

Hold on.. how did they perform worse ?

Schwarber starts ..

1. Atlanta (Hendricks) 5.2 ip 4 hits 1 ER 1 BB 5 K

2. Reds (Richard) 5.2 ip 4 hits 3 ER 1 BB 1 K

3. Reds (Hammel) 5 ip 5 hits 1 ER 3 BB 4 K

4. Reds (Hendricks) 6ip 7 hits 5 ER 2 BB 9 K

Your really looking at 1 bad game out of 4 that he caught from those starting pitchers who are the 3rd, 4th, and an add on in their rotation now...

So you realistically dont have much of an argument there in that small sample size...


Im not saying Schwarber anywhere near Ross behind the plate..
I just think the team would benefit more with Schwarber plus bat and ok catching ability over Ross weak bat and plus catching ability overall...

That just my opinion


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So 5.2 IP with 3 ER is good?

 

[TL1961]

I think the most logical thing to do is have Cogs out in CF and Schwarber in LF when Montero comes back

Cogs in CF should get a manager fired.

 

[TL1961]

Cole Hamels' thinking: "Hmmm, I want to pitch well, so they'll trade for me. But I want to pitch poorly so they can afford me. "

 

[FrankieLyrical]

Cogs in CF should get a manager fired.

Cogs can't play CF any worse than Fowler, right?

 

[chibears55]

So 5.2 IP with 3 ER is good?

He was 1 out away from a quality start..so, yes

 

[Ari Bear]

Cogs in CF should get a manager fired.

You need to find away to get Schwarber in the game.

 

[chibears55]

Hamels auditioning pretty well so far for cubs brass

 

[FrankieLyrical]

Hamels auditioning pretty well so far for cubs brass

What can we give up that would satisfy PHI yet not be too much from our standpoint?

 

[TL1961]

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