IST: NBA Finals Thread: Thunder VS Heat

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yeah, positional things are different because this is an era where *players do so many different things. Which is why you need to look at things possession-by-possession more than ever.

Jason Kidd was once capable of boxing out "bigger"
players and grabbing the rebound. Dirk Nowitzki is capable of hitting a deep three-pointer. Kevin Garnett and LeBron James are both incredibly versatile all-around players. Michael Jordan could score in the low-post with power like a center. Barkley could put the ball on the floor and facilitate like a point.

I'm not a coach nor claim to know the status quo of what different situations/players are labeled in different types of possessions. I do think I know a little bit of how good team basketball is supposed to be played and I do apologize if I am not very eloquent in my labels of different players in strange situations. All it takes is one well-rounded superstar to change an entire teams' fundamentally-sound/simple style-of-play.

I'm not sure how else to explain myself here.

 

[FirstTimer]

Prope, what was your and the other guys main "points" in the discussion?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I would say the primary ball handler of the team. The one who more often than not initiates the offense in the half court. Very generally speaking.

To many people try to base it on "this guy had the most assists"

Add to that the guy who sees the court the best, can understand/operate the offense the best, but yeah, that was my basic point.

Everybody think it needs to be a Stockton.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Not really true. The game as a whole has become more perimeter-oriented but it isn't all just a helter-skelter mesh.

already been noted, but you missed the point

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Prope, what was your and the other guys main "points" in the discussion?

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Add to that the guy who sees the court the best, can understand/operate the offense the best, but yeah, that was my basic point.

Everybody think it needs to be a Stockton.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Prope, what was your and the other guys main "points" in the discussion?

Buddy also said he'd like to see the Bulls have somebody else run the point, and play Rose in the traditional 2-guard sense. I think I threw a beer can at him.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yeah, positional things are different because this is an era where so many different things. Which is why you need to look at things possession-by-possession more than ever.



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That's not really true. You need to know the different offensive sets and systems and recognize coaching adjustments etc. Judging "positionality" on a possession by possession basis is a really bad way to go about it.

 

[FirstTimer]

Buddy also said he'd like to see the Bulls have somebody else run the point, and play Rose in the traditional 2-guard sense. I think I threw a beer can at him.

Were you skypeing with Rami?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I'm not a coach nor claim to know the status quo of what different situations/players are labeled in different types of possessions. I do think I know a little bit of how good team basketball is supposed to be played and I do apologize if I am not very eloquent in my labels of different players in strange situations. All it takes is one well-rounded superstar to change an entire teams' fundamentally-sound/simple style-of-play

The way you have posted in this thread and others suggests otherwise.

You should really answer FT's question.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I would have thought putting LJ at the point in this series was the smart move. Whether or not it was Spoelstra, obviously the better move has been playing LJ in the post.

I still think Thabo on Wade is the better defensive option. I'm of the opinion, and it might not be the right one, but frustrate and take Wade out of the equation and make Lebron beat you.

ya, LBJ in the post presents a ridiculous amount of matchup problems

not quick to give the credit to Spo...just because i don't have a high opinion on him..like at all

and that's a good point about thabo, and then you have durant on lebron..

essentially, lebron is going to get his, but you see how miami has struggled when wade has been take out of the equation

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Buddy also said he'd like to see the Bulls have somebody else run the point, and play Rose in the traditional 2-guard sense. I think I threw a beer can at him.

:lmao: like who?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Were you skypeing with Rami?

:lmao:

My theory, and it is just a theory, is that since the Bulls have gotten better (2007-2008) a whole generation of people who didn't pay much attention to the Bulls have come out of the woodwork. With it, has come a mountain of basketball retardation.

I can't say my actual playing days were anything spectacular or long (like certain body parts of mine -HA HA), but I've been hooked since I first saw Jordan. For as much as I like to think I know (and I like to feel that I know my shit), there is probably that much more I don't know.

Still, even when discussing things I do not know - I try to use logic. Which escapes a lot in these parts.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

:lmao: like who?

He didn't have names. Nobody has names.

I retorted that I'd like a 6'6'' shooting guard who plays an entire season.

 

[FirstTimer]

ya, LBJ in the post presents a ridiculous amount of matchup problems

not quick to give the credit to Spo...just because i don't have a high opinion on him..like at all

and that's a good point about thabo, and then you have durant on lebron..

essentially, lebron is going to get his, but you see how miami has struggled when wade has been take out of the equation

Same here. I wonder if that was Spo's call or LBJ's call to exploit that matchup in the post more after game 1? I'm not sure what counter the Thunder have to LBJ going to the post. Maybe Ibaka? The guy they traded away to get Perkins (Jeff Green) would have been an interesting move/matchup too.

Also tough to do now down 3-1 but the Mavs really screwed the Heat up playing a zone in last year's Finals and with some of the length, and speed you have in Ibaka, Durant, Westbrook, and Thabo it could give the Heat some issues for stretches if you keep rotating in and out of it.

Right now the Thunder are way to predictable on the defensive end of the floor and really poorly rotated. Even a shithouse coach like Spoelstra will catch up eventually.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Still, even when discussing things I do not know - I try to use logic. Which escapes a lot in these parts.

this goes for pretty much anything..(like me with baseball sometimes)

especially a test, that's how i got good grades in history classes without doing some studying, because half the question were just logic

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

ya, LBJ in the post presents a ridiculous amount of matchup problems

not quick to give the credit to Spo...just because i don't have a high opinion on him..like at all

and that's a good point about thabo, and then you have durant on lebron..

essentially, lebron is going to get his, but you see how miami has struggled when wade has been take out of the equation

I have been very disappointed by Durant falling for shot fakes and having fouls called on him. Happened once last night, and twice in either game 2 or 3. I would think with his length and IQ on the floor that that wouldn't happen.

 

[clonetrooper264]

ya, LBJ in the post presents a ridiculous amount of matchup problems

not quick to give the credit to Spo...just because i don't have a high opinion on him..like at all

and that's a good point about thabo, and then you have durant on lebron..

essentially, lebron is going to get his, but you see how miami has struggled when wade has been take out of the equation

I said at the beginning of the series that I thought Thabo would be best suited to guard Wade. I think you're right that it's Wade that they gotta take out of the equation...or try to anyway. You can't stop Lebron...he's got too many options offensively and you can't really stop him. Wade you can force into a bad game. If you can keep him and Bosh to 20 each or less, you have a pretty good shot at a win I think.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I was actually arguing with people who wanted to trade Taj Gibson for Stephen Curry because I don't want either of those two players guarding bigger NBA guards like Wade/Bryant/Joe Johnson. It would be a pointless trade unless you were planning on flipping Curry or Rose, for that matter, for a bigger player. Too much money to wrap up in point guards.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Same here. I wonder if that was Spo's call or LBJ's call to exploit that matchup in the post more after game 1? I'm not sure what counter the Thunder have to LBJ going to the post. Maybe Ibaka? The guy they traded away to get Perkins (Jeff Green) would have been an interesting move/matchup too.

Also tough to do now down 3-1 but the Mavs really screwed the Heat up playing a zone in last year's Finals and with some of the length, and speed you have in Ibaka, Durant, Westbrook, and Thabo it could give the Heat some issues for stretches if you keep rotating in and out of it.

Right now the Thunder are way to predictable on the defensive end of the floor and really poorly rotated. Even a shithouse coach like Spoelstra will catch up eventually.

There were times last night, and especially in game 3 that they just looked defeated. I don't know if being on the road has something to do with that, because I generally downplay that, but I'm expecting them to fold pretty quickly in Game 5.

 

[clonetrooper264]

All in favor of trading Taj for Steph Curry, raise your hands.

*raises hand*