IST: Sox v Cubs

[Parade_Rain]

You think that Ricky was let go because he was failing? Really?

Ricky was let go, because he isn't Joe Maddon.

 

[anotheridiot]

The Good- Wilson Conteras 3 for 5! 1hr 4rbi's :clap:

The Bad- Javy Baez 0-5! 5 strikeouts! uke:

Who's K's five times in a signal game?
As bad as some guys been this year hitting no one K'd five times in a game!

Did KB strike out 3 times and then get thrown out? Sounds like he could have easily done it too.

 

[Diehardfan]

You think that Ricky was let go because he was failing? Really?

Do you think Doug Collins was failing? Was Denis Savard failing? How about Jerry Manual or Renteria himself? They were all either winning or doing a nice job of bringing a young team into the limelight.....the difference is management found someone better. Not sure, but I think it was Jerry Krause who said they needed someone to go from point A to point B....hence Phil Jackson. At the time I thought it was complete BS or coach speak but it appears in retrospect to be somewhat valid.

Jackson 6 Championships
Coach Q 3 Cups
Ozzie a World Series
Maddon a World Series

 

[Ari Bear]

Did KB strike out 3 times and then get thrown out? Sounds like he could have easily done it too.

Yeah but KB doesn't swing at pitches over his head or 2 ft outside though

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[TC in Mississippi]

Do you think Doug Collins was failing? Was Denis Savard failing? How about Jerry Manual or Renteria himself? They were all either winning or doing a nice job of bringing a young team into the limelight.....the difference is management found someone better. Not sure, but I think it was Jerry Krause who said they needed someone to go from point A to point B....hence Phil Jackson. At the time I thought it was complete BS or coach speak but it appears in retrospect to be somewhat valid.

Jackson 6 Championships
Coach Q 3 Cups
Ozzie a World Series
Maddon a World Series

Is Renteria just a rebuilding manager? Maybe, but I'm not sure of that yet. I actually really like him and I think he possesses some of what Maddon has and of course his own thing. Of course he was interviewed for jobs for 10 years until he finally got the Cubs job and was only given a short deal leading up to when the Cubs thought they would contend so who the hell knows? Managers are funny beasts. I think there are winning managers who are no damned good (Mike Matheny, Matt Williams, Bobby Valentine), I think there are losing managers, or usually losing managers as a couple of these are exceptions this year, who are excellent (Craig Counsell, Paul Molitor, Renteria, Fredi González) winning managers who are good but not to level they are elevated to (Dusty Baker, Don Mattingly) and winning managers who take more criticism than one would think (Joe Maddon, John Gibbons, John Farrell) and that's before you ever get to the guys like Girardi, Bochy, Francona who I don't think anyone questions. I could go on and on but what makes a good manager? I think the best ones are managers in the business sense first. They manage their team like a good manager in the business word would, delegate their vision to subordinates and then take the lead during games. Is that Ricky Renteria, again no clue, but I haven't made my mind up either.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Willson Contreras getting a much deserved and needed day off.

 

[Diehardfan]

Is Renteria just a rebuilding manager? Maybe, but I'm not sure of that yet. I actually really like him and I think he possesses some of what Maddon has and of course his own thing. Of course he was interviewed for jobs for 10 years until he finally got the Cubs job and was only given a short deal leading up to when the Cubs thought they would contend so who the hell knows? Managers are funny beasts. I think there are winning managers who are no damned good (Mike Matheny, Matt Williams, Bobby Valentine), I think there are losing managers, or usually losing managers as a couple of these are exceptions this year, who are excellent (Craig Counsell, Paul Molitor, Renteria, Fredi González) winning managers who are good but not to level they are elevated to (Dusty Baker, Don Mattingly) and winning managers who take more criticism than one would think (Joe Maddon, John Gibbons, John Farrell) and that's before you ever get to the guys like Girardi, Bochy, Francona who I don't think anyone questions. I could go on and on but what makes a good manager? I think the best ones are managers in the business sense first. They manage their team like a good manager in the business word would, delegate their vision to subordinates and then take the lead during games. Is that Ricky Renteria, again no clue, but I haven't made my mind up either.

It's management's call, always will be and if that's their perception....well....

 

[chibears55]

They had Sutcliffe on ESPN Radio today..
He said he finally got a hold of Arrieta and he been working with him this week with his release ..
Hopes to see it working tonight and he goes 7/8 innings..

He described it as where Arrieta needs to open up like a parachute opening up in a drag car..

Not quite sure what to look for with that but if Arrieta looking anywhere near the cy young Arrieta tonight, I'll be sure to thank Sutcliffe..
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[brett05]

It's management's call, always will be and if that's their perception....well....

The Cubs didn't say, Rick can't do it. They saw Joe which they had a love fest for. They had the shot and went for it. Had NOTHING to do with Rick's ability. It had everything to do with getting who the organization perceived as the best proven available. Rick isn't proven to be in the upper echelon of coaching. He's only in his second season.

For this you are just dead wrong.

 

[brett05]

two outstanding plays in left by both teams

 

[PickSix]

Indeed

 

[chibears55]

So, is Shields just gonna pitch his best game tonight because it's the Cubs...

We better get some runs off this guy

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[Globetrotter]

two outstanding plays in left by both teams

Werd. I thought Jay's was a little more impressive, though.

 

[Adipost]

That pitch was nasty

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Werd. I thought Jay's was a little more impressive, though.

Jay's play shined more than the Sox player's did.

 

[Globetrotter]

Shields doing his best Lackey impersonation out there.

 

[Adipost]

Shields doing his best Lackey impersonation out there.

Shields is absolute trash.

 

[A.C. Milan]

Shields is done, he has been done for years

 

[A.C. Milan]

I have Len and JD on and so i can only imagine Hawk :lol:

 

[Adipost]

I have Len and JD on and so i can only imagine Hawk :lol:

A lot of dead air.