It's Down to Cespedes or Upton!!

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Looks like the Nats are going all in for Cespedes.
 

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Yeah, it looks like the team is sticking to it's three year plan. But with such a weak FA class coming in the 2016 off season, I have to lean on what Hahn is doing. It's a tough pill to swallow because with an OF like Cespedes the White SOx are immediately in the playoff picture. Still might be, but no room for error.
 

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Yeah, it looks like the team is sticking to it's three year plan. But with such a weak FA class coming in the 2016 off season, I have to lean on what Hahn is doing. It's a tough pill to swallow because with an OF like Cespedes the White SOx are immediately in the playoff picture. Still might be, but no room for error.
That manager had better not make a mistake.
 

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To this point in Sox history the largest contract they've ever given out was the 68 million to Jose Abreu. A 3 year deal being the most they'll offer to Cespedes doesn't seem like much of an offer if they really wanted him.
 

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That manager had better not make a mistake.

You make a good point there. Right now as constructed, the White Sox have to basically be flawless execution wise to provide the optimal chances to win. The team has tremendous depth for pitching. Very similar to the depth that the Cubs have for hitting in many respects. However, execution has to be at a tremendously high level. The team lacks an additional offensive weapon as well as a top flight manager. Do managers improve? I really don't know the answer to that.

I'll say this. A manager like a Davey Johnson would give this team a lot more wiggle room on poor performances than Ventura.
 

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You make a good point there. Right now as constructed, the White Sox have to basically be flawless execution wise to provide the optimal chances to win. The team has tremendous depth for pitching. Very similar to the depth that the Cubs have for hitting in many respects. However, execution has to be at a tremendously high level. The team lacks an additional offensive weapon as well as a top flight manager. Do managers improve? I really don't know the answer to that.

I'll say this. A manager like a Davey Johnson would give this team a lot more wiggle room on poor performances than Ventura.

They need Cespedes and not to give him more than three years is nuts and typical of Reiny the cheapass. I feel sorry for Hahn because this isn't on him. I guess Reiny wants to take his money with him when he croaks:(
 

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Yeah, it looks like the team is sticking to it's three year plan. But with such a weak FA class coming in the 2016 off season, I have to lean on what Hahn is doing. It's a tough pill to swallow because with an OF like Cespedes the White SOx are immediately in the playoff picture. Still might be, but no room for error.




Sorry Brett, can't see that right now. Sox are improved, no doubt, but that OF defense is putrid. Depending on pitching to carry you makes that a top shelf problem.
 

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Yes. Considering Detroit appears to have gotten stronger this off-season, it's hard to see the Sox being in the thick of things at the trade deadline. Sox pitching is good, but I don't think it can carry them. Still...lightning in a bottle happens once in a while.
 

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Sorry Brett, can't see that right now. Sox are improved, no doubt, but that OF defense is putrid. Depending on pitching to carry you makes that a top shelf problem.

The OF defense isn't a major issue. Melky and Avi are servicable and Eaton is a GG type. The issue is the offense they give. And right now it's sub par sans Eaton.
 

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Yes. Considering Detroit appears to have gotten stronger this off-season, it's hard to see the Sox being in the thick of things at the trade deadline. Sox pitching is good, but I don't think it can carry them. Still...lightning in a bottle happens once in a while.

So you play it out. You have Sale who is a top 5 guy. You have Q who is a top 15 guy. You need Rodon to be a top 30 guy and Erik Johnson to be a top 75 guy for it all to happen. Just a lot to ask from "rookies"
 

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Sox had the worst offensive run production in the AL last year. That is the problem with this team--not enough thunder in the batting lineup. Cespedes would have helped fixed that with 35+ homers batting behind Abreu and giving him protection at the same time. Frazier is a good addition, but it's not enough to catch KC or keep up with Detoilet.
 

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Why even have the pay roll they do then? This is going to get very ugly. Half measures don't work. As I have said, they got lucky once. They think they can again.

They were never smart about it and don't know what they are doing. They have a defensive outfield with mediocre defense in a hitters ball park. That's criminally stupid.

Baseball is like the Old Testament God. If you are lukewarm it will spit you out. You gotta be all in, or all out and collect every future asset you can. You test these tepid waters and you will end up wasting a perfectly good chance to build a long term competitive product around Abreu and Sale. It's hard to find those type of talents again, if we end up sellers we could be looking at not competitive enough to justify Sales contract or he declines at some point and ten more years of this, repeat and pray another Sale emerged but they might not.

**** YOU WHITE SOX!!! **** you KEN!
 

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5 yr 100 seems like a steal for Cespedes, but if you can't swallow the market year after year you are always behind, when you come around the market goes up and you can't swallow it.

**** you Reinfuck!! It's your lost money being cheap!! Pony up and fill the seats!! Fucking can't help stupid.
 

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The Upton signing alone makes the Sox front office look stupid. How does the team with the worst outfield in baseball and a modest payroll in a large market lose out on the top three OF free agents available? This organization needs to figure out what they're about, because they're sending mixed messages to a frustrated fan base (never a good thing).

Either go all in, or blow it up and rebuild with controllable assets. You can't have it both ways.
 

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The Upton signing alone makes the Sox front office look stupid. How does the team with the worst outfield in baseball and a modest payroll in a large market lose out on the top three OF free agents available? This organization needs to figure out what they're about, because they're sending mixed messages to a frustrated fan base (never a good thing).

Either go all in, or blow it up and rebuild with controllable assets. You can't have it both ways.
I'm predicting ten years of hell to maybe have a chance to climb out. ken should have been fired last failed cycle. 10-20 years guys. Luckily Reinsdorf will be dead, and Kenny won't make two more years, he shouldn't make 1, and this frustration level should not have already reached defcon I'm blind with rage.

They already fucked up the contending teams they had with generational talent like Konerko. They are so incompetent I don't even know what to say anymore. I'm not done, I'll always love them but I can't tear my hair out anymore, I'll watch this team again when I don't have to scratch my head about what the **** they are doing.

There goal is clear...be just barely good enough to attract minimal enough interest from casual fans.


Yeah I'm freaking out because this outfield market was the strangest I have ever seen at very good deals and they dangled out there for eternity when we should have been players. We may end up with Fowler and I'll take a deep breathe for efficiency but I still think we lack a power bat out there.

I'd chill and be like well we could trade for one still if I didn't have 20 years to know better with this regime leadership.

**** you SOX!!
 

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Fowler would be an upgrade over Garcia, but that's not saying much.

I don't see him making much of an impact in the win column though.
 

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Fowler would be an upgrade over Garcia, but that's not saying much.

I don't see him making much of an impact in the win column though.

Something on base in front of Abreu. We won't know what Abreu is capable of until we protect him.
 

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You make a good point there. Right now as constructed, the White Sox have to basically be flawless execution wise to provide the optimal chances to win. The team has tremendous depth for pitching. Very similar to the depth that the Cubs have for hitting in many respects. However, execution has to be at a tremendously high level. The team lacks an additional offensive weapon as well as a top flight manager. Do managers improve? I really don't know the answer to that.

I'll say this. A manager like a Davey Johnson would give this team a lot more wiggle room on poor performances than Ventura.

They are not a play-off team right now. They are about a .500 team right now. They need a solid bat in the outfield and a starting pitcher also to make a run at the title. The fact that they are fucking around about one or two years more is pathetic. I hate Reinny,
 

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Well, y'all can stop wondering. Cespedes signed with the Mets for 3 years 75 million and an opt out after the first season. He will get 27.5 million if he opts in after the first year.
 

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Well, y'all can stop wondering. Cespedes signed with the Mets for 3 years 75 million and an opt out after the first season. He will get 27.5 million if he opts in after the first year.
So...Sox gonna sign Dexter?
 

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