J.R. Smith on the Trading Block, Should the Bulls pursue him?

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He has attitude and maturity issues that could effect a team's chemistry.

I know BC isnt good, but this is one article i found. There been more in the past but to lazy to look them up.

Looking To Deal A Headache: Five Places J.R. Smith Should Hope To Land | Bleacher Report

Oh? Care to point to like any real examples or no, just going to assume so.

Unsourced Bleacher Report Article said:
Yet his problems lie with his attitude and maturity issues. And though they aren’t as bad as they were two years ago, they still tend to rear their ugly head ever once and a while…especially when Smith isn’t happy with his playing time.

Smith was a starter early in his career and hasn’t been shy in making it known that he wants to return to such a role.

I HATE guys who complain about playing time.

Let's acquire Rudy Fernandez.

Hypocracy?
 
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Oh? Care to point to like any real examples or no, just going to assume so.

look, im not associated with the nuggets organization so i dont know exactly how the guy is to be exact.

Im just going with what articles say, and if the nuggets are trying to trade him why do you think they are trying to trade him in the first place? That is the question. He is a major talent, but any player that has the talent will not be traded.
 

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Again, irrelevant because we aren't acquiring either of them, just wanna figure out why Rudy gets off for being a total asshole but JR doesn't, even without evidence.
 

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Im just going with what articles say, and if the nuggets are trying to trade him why do you think they are trying to trade him in the first place? That is the question. He is a major talent, but any player that has the talent he has will not be traded.

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Again, irrelevant because we aren't acquiring either of them, just wanna figure out why Rudy gets off for being a total asshole but JR doesn't, even without evidence.

Getting either one would be great for our team. but if we dont so be it. Rudy is not a A hole, he just hasn't liked the Portland organization for the PT he has gotten, and i can see you are a JR fan now. since its quite obvious you are on his side. ;)

either way, i just made this thread to see what people here in the bulls forum would offer for JR. I would like to have him, not against getting him but i just stated that i would take rudy over JR.
 

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I'm not a JR Smith fan. I'd probably rather have Rudy on this team.

I'm just curious why JR is a bad influence because he's complained about PT in the past, yet Rudy is "unhappy with the organization" and that's justified.

Just seems horribly hypocritical.
 

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Rudy is the one that is unhappy with the organization and PT.

JR is the one the one with attitude problems and maturity issues.

for me the choice is clear, i rather have the player that is unhappy with PT. Then to take a risk on a player that could destroy a team.

but what ever, from the look of this looks like we are not going to get either anyway.
 

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Oh good lord.

JR's supposed "attitude" and "maturity" problems stem from complaints about playing time.... you know the thing Rudy just got fined for. How is Rudy not having "attitude" and "maturity" problems?

Why does Rudy's complaints go into "unhappy with organization" and JR's go into "maturity and attitude". You really don't see any hypocracy in that?
 

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what ever im putting it to rest now. you win the argument.
 

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lol... why?

I'm just curious why we have two players that have complained about playing time and one is painted as a bad locker room guy and has maturity issues while the other is merely upset with his organization.

That makes absolutely no sense.
 

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ok we come to the sense that both guys have been immature and babies when it come to maturity as a nba player.

Im just a bigger Rudy fan i guess.
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Again, irrelevant because we aren't acquiring either of them, just wanna figure out why Rudy gets off for being a total asshole but JR doesn't, even without evidence.

Totally different scenarios. Rudy took less money to come to the nba. He was a star in Europe playing a huge role. He also got baried behind the third best sg in the league. JR Smith has all the talent in the world and pisses it away. Rudy just wants a chance, he isn't demanding to be a starter.
 

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i'm just curious about all this supposed baggage that jr has, while at the same time pining for a guy who openly complained about pt publically, recently was fined and vowed to sit out the remaining years of his contract.

Rudy doesn't have nearly as many tats though.

plus rudy is fucking soft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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lmao - why do some of you guys actually want this guy on this team? He's athletic and can shoot? Hell, I'm athletic and can shoot. Doesn't mean I'm worth anything on the ball court. He doesn't like to pass, takes shots WAY too early in the shot clock, doesn't play defense, skips game plans because, "He's Open"....ugh...

He is one of those guys that you kind of root against, just b/c he doesn't play the game the right way.


Well, his defense has improve in the last few years. I don't think that is so much a problem, George Karl once said that J.R. "kills grass" with his dribbling. Kind of like Hinrich used to do. But Hinrich was looking for an open man, J.R. was looking for his own plays first.

He is a good player. And though I like Brewer's upside, Smith can shoot threes well. I don't think they get him. I think Thibodeau likes Brewer and his defensive abilities. A defensive stopper on the wing is a luxury to have, and at the contract they signed Brewer for. They just don't need anymore guards...
 

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Totally different scenarios. Rudy took less money to come to the nba. He was a star in Europe playing a huge role. He also got baried behind the third best sg in the league. JR Smith has all the talent in the world and pisses it away. Rudy just wants a chance, he isn't demanding to be a starter.

But in the end, their situations are not all that different. Both complaining about playing time. One is vilified, one justified.

Predictably, the tatted up black one is vilified. I forgot who wrote it but recently someone brought up the very hypocritcal thought that black athletes typically get with the whole "all the talent in the world stuff" like they were bred to be athletes and if they don't succeed it's because they don't try as hard. While white athletes typically are painted as always maximizing on their limited skills and trying harder.

I'm seeing a similar idea with this argument. In the end, stripped down to Player A and Player B we're looking at similar situations really. Both players want playing time and have in the past openly complained about it. Rudy took it a step further publicly demanding a trade and received a fine for it.

In the end, I really don't see how it's not hypocritical to justify Rudy and say he's just doing it for an opportunity, then say that JR who is doing the EXACT same thing as Rudy... but intead Smith has maturity issues and a bad attitude.
 
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But in the end, their situations are not all that different. Both complaining about playing time. One is vilified, one justified.

Predictably, the tatted up black one is vilified.

no race wars, get that shit outta here.
 

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But in the end, their situations are not all that different. Both complaining about playing time. One is vilified, one justified.

Predictably, the tatted up black one is vilified. I forgot who wrote it but recently someone brought up the very hypocritcal thought that black athletes typically get with the whole "all the talent in the world stuff" like they were bred to be athletes and if they don't succeed it's because they don't try as hard. While white athletes typically are painted as always maximizing on their limited skills and trying harder.

I'm seeing a similar idea with this argument. In the end, stripped down to Player A and Player B we're looking at similar situations really. Both players want playing time and have in the past openly complained about it. Rudy took it a step further publicly demanding a trade and received a fine for it.

In the end, I really don't see how it's not hypocritical to justify Rudy and say he's just doing it for an opportunity, then say that JR who is doing the EXACT same thing as Rudy... but intead Smith has maturity issues and a bad attitude.

Has nothing to do with race. One clearly sacrificed more for the opportunity. Rudy would be making a lot more in Europe. He was assured PT before he signed. He really didn't get a fair shake playing behind roy. JR has gotten all the oppurtunity in the world. He has played behind worse players because he doesn't go along with the game plan. Smith isn't buried behind Kobe.
 

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What blows me away is that no one is bringing up how JR got to the Nuggets in the first place.....FROM US! We got JR Smith in 2006 from New Orleans in the PJ Brown deal and what did we do??? Anyone? We got rid of him a week later for nothing. I can't imagine he would want to play here and frankly, I don't want to see it happen.
 

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