Jalen Carter has 6 career sacks..

[FozzyBear]

Look at his QB hit numbers from last year. 15 QB hits last year, has 16 this year, but more of them are resulting in sacks than they did last year. He also has a career high TFL. He's also 25 years old, so maybe it's not a contract year performance thing. Maybe it's a guy coming into his prime getting better. This is exactly the player you sign as a free agent 100x out of 100 if you have a choice. If he was 28 and having his 1st big year, that'd be different, but he's young enough where you can reasonably expect him to have 3-4 years of high level performance.

Warren Sapp worked with that unit in the offseason.

 

[FozzyBear]

**** Carter and Anderson @ 2. Trade the **** down and get Fields weapons/oline.......................... Payne and eggles old fucks in FA for the DL. DL depth in later rounds

 

[TL1961]

Donald went 13th so not like he was a late round pick. Of course he would go higher now but that isnt really scouts being wrong. Different teams have different needs and drafting strategies.

Also, Donald went where he did largely because of his size. He was considered undersized which was a concern and frankly from a scouting standpoint that’s not necessarily wrong as a rule.

He proved to be the exception but as a scout you can’t be constantly drafting guys hoping they are the exception.

If Donald were bigger he’d have been Top 5.

 

[TL1961]

I mean…I’m the furthest thing from a scout and don’t know the nuances of the scheme but based on my own eyes, no….the Donald comps are nuts.

You and black rainbow seem to be conjuring up a strawman argument. People are discussing whether he is a disruptive tackle and he is.

Scouts themselves think he’s worth a top five pick. It doesn’t mean he’s going to be the next Aaron Donald.

If they have a quarterback ranked number one it doesn’t mean they think he’s going to be the next Patrick Mahomes. It’s based on who else is in the draft.

 

[TL1961]

Nope. No jokes allowed. I’m asking a direct question to @mattb78

How is Georgia utilizing Carter and how it relates to his stats. @mattb78 wants to talk about it, so he should be able to answer it.

So, @mattb78, how does Kirby Smart’s defense utilize Carter and is it a negative that his sack numbers are low?

Mattb is a box score guy. He doesn’t understand that defensive tackles aren’t by design supposed to get a lot of sacks. So he’s hung up on sack numbers not understanding the position at all.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1603212432020627458

Couple of things, so the slander begins on various prospects names and also I know some/many don't rate what Kollman has to say.

I find him and E.J Snyder really interesting - imo of course.

Hey buddy, good to see you positively participating.

I don't think you'll find many who have a bad thing to say about Kollman in this instance. If he were breaking down Carter, then he's fair game, but in this instance he says that there's no documentation or proof of him having any type of character issues.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Mattb is a box score guy. He doesn’t understand that defensive tackles aren’t by design supposed to get a lot of sacks. So he’s hung up on sack numbers not understanding the position at all.

It’s like those that look at Ogunjobi’s numbers in Pittsburgh and conclude that since he doesn’t have a lot of sacks, that Poles dodged a bullet. Nevermind that he has different responsibilities in a 3-4 and plays a different position altogether. Ogunjobi is playing very well as a DE in their scheme and is more concerned with tying up blockers than rushing the passer.

 

[wazzupi]

How many posters watch more than 3-5 minute highlight reels?

That's probably worse than just looking at stats because you're just getting fed the absolute best plays.

We have at least one GA fan who might have watched more than 1 FULL game. I believe you'd have to watch at least 2 or 3 FULL games paying close attention to the d-line every series....who actually did that on CCS?

I do this for plenty of players especially ones that might be there for the bears to draft because I enjoy it as a hobby.

 

[wazzupi]

**** Carter and Anderson @ 2. Trade the **** down and get Fields weapons/oline.......................... Payne and eggles old fucks in FA for the DL. DL depth in later rounds

You can't even guarantee any OL in the draft will be better than we have or we can obtain in FA if you truly want to help justin fields in terms of Oline sign Elgton and Pocic. Draft potential gems in late rounds. You'd also keep whitehair. at worst Jones Whitehair Pocic Jenkins Elgton are your 5 guys but my favorite upside would be Jones Elgton Pocic Jenkins leatherwood. Weapons I don't even believe any of the top WR besides smith is NFL ready. I don't see any Jamar chase or Justin Jeffersons in this year's draft. FA Wrs are a complete disaster.

 

[wazzupi]

Mooney and claypool should be your top 3 WRs we just need that one guy if it's a #1 guy or a #3 guy I don't care we need 1 more piece. If a TE like Washington or Kincaid drop to our 3rd round pick I take one of those guys.

 

[FozzyBear]

You can't even guarantee anyone in the draft is better than what the bears have

fify.

or better than Deron Payne, Hargrave, Cox, etc. the bears could buy all 3 if those players are game.

its the intent my guy. you can rebuild the I-DL in FA if you bring the bag.

Yeah i already covered the lack of WR in the top half a month or so ago. Wish Marvin Harrison JR was eligible.. but whatev. Already broke down tape on carter etc. As i had said, if the bears do end up at 2, trade the **** down, could be a haul.. 10-15 range and you could still net Jones, Johnson JR etc and Have choice of C in RD 2, maybe focus on the second wave of wr or flex te. haul probably nets you an extra 2nd too. RD 1, ol RD 2, ol/wr

 

[mattb78]

Mattb is a box score guy. He doesn’t understand that defensive tackles aren’t by design supposed to get a lot of sacks.

You guys keep missing the point. Is a DT that doesn't get alot of sacks worth a top 5 pick? That is it. That was the question. Its a discussion about positional value in the draft.

 

[Enasic]

You and black rainbow seem to be conjuring up a strawman argument. People are discussing whether he is a disruptive tackle and he is.

Scouts themselves think he’s worth a top five pick. It doesn’t mean he’s going to be the next Aaron Donald.

If they have a quarterback ranked number one it doesn’t mean they think he’s going to be the next Patrick Mahomes. It’s based on who else is in the draft.

I’m not conjuring up anything. I’ve heard people compare him to Donald and I think that’s crazy. Does that mean he can’t be a good player? No. Never said as much.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

You guys keep missing the point. Is a DT that doesn't get alot of sacks worth a top 5 pick? That is it. That was the question. Its a discussion about positional value in the draft.

Except you've yet to answer my question about how Carter is used in Georgia's defense and if that has anything to do with his lack of sack numbers. I've also provided examples in this thread about how big time college numbers don't equal success in the NFL. You've avoided that portion as well.

 

[I Just Want To Read]

Except you've yet to answer my question about how Carter is used in Georgia's defense and if that has anything to do with his lack of sack numbers. I've also provided examples in this thread about how big time college numbers don't equal success in the NFL. You've avoided that portion as well.

There are vastly more examples of the elite college producers becoming the best NFL players.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

There are vastly more examples of the elite college producers becoming the best NFL players.

Have I suggested otherwise?

 

[I Just Want To Read]

I think you only consider Carter if:

1) we've traded down, got extra picks, and Carter is still available
2) we mess up the tank and aren't picking top 3

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

When you pick early, you must draft impact players. These guys become the cornerstone of your franchise. And rushing the passer is key to success in the NFL.

I am not saying Carter isn't capable of become a very good pass rusher. He just hasn't shown that in college yet.

How high do you draft a disruptive DT that doesn't get to the QB consistently?

I've heard the hype for Carter, but you raise valid points.

If you are drafting top 5 to top 10, you want to take the closest you can get to a sure thing as possible - some of the absolute worst top 10 draft picks were because GMs projected solely on traits, usually because the incoming player was an athletic freak, which doesn't always translate to production.

If you are taking someone top 5, you want them to be absolutely dominant at the highest levels of college. You want production PLUS traits. If you go by just traits alone, you are taking a HUGE risk that usually doesn't pay off.

Having said all that, I don't watch college ball - so I can't speak to whether Carter has shown that. So I can't speak to whether he is worth it one way or the other. I suppose I just popped in to say your premise is sound, even if I don't know where Carter fits against that measurement.

 

[HeHateMe]

I've heard the hype for Carter, but you raise valid points.

If you are drafting top 5 to top 10, you want to take the closest you can get to a sure thing as possible - some of the absolute worst top 10 draft picks were because GMs projected solely on traits, usually because the incoming player was an athletic freak, which doesn't always translate to production.

If you are taking someone top 5, you want them to be absolutely dominant at the highest levels of college. You want production PLUS traits. If you go by just traits alone, you are taking a HUGE risk that usually doesn't pay off.

Having said all that, I don't watch college ball - so I can't speak to whether Carter has shown that. So I can't speak to whether he is worth it one way or the other. I suppose I just popped in to say your premise is sound, even if I don't know where Carter fits against that measurement.

everyone knows this

 

[Midway Fields]

Also, Donald went where he did largely because of his size. He was considered undersized which was a concern and frankly from a scouting standpoint that’s not necessarily wrong as a rule.

He proved to be the exception but as a scout you can’t be constantly drafting guys hoping they are the exception.

If Donald were bigger he’d have been Top 5.

Accurate.

Emery looked devastated drafting Kyle Fuller knowing Donald went the pick before.