Jalen Carter has 6 career sacks..

[bearsfan1977]

I think you only consider Carter if:

1) we've traded down, got extra picks, and Carter is still available
2) we mess up the tank and aren't picking top 3

Naw. I get the argument that if they want to trade down and stockpile picks-cool.

If you’re saying if they want to stay put they should not draft Carter, I respectfully disagree after watching almost every UGA game for years.

Would you like them to take Anderson at 2 or 3? Respectable position. But I think he’s a bad fit for this scheme and Carter will be the better pro.

Who knows. We both could be wrong. Carter won’t last past pick 5.

 

[I Just Want To Read]

Have I suggested otherwise

Naw. I get the argument that if they want to trade down and stockpile picks-cool.

If you’re saying if they want to stay put they should not draft Carter, I respectfully disagree after watching almost every UGA game for years.

Would you like them to take Anderson at 2 or 3? Respectable position. But I think he’s a bad fit for this scheme and Carter will be the better pro.

Who knows. We both could be wrong. Carters won’t last past pick 5.

If we pick #2, I'm going to be very disappointed if we don't trade down to a QB hungry team. I do prefer Anderson over Carter though as a prospect.

The truth of it is that it can be very hard to get "appropriate value" at the very top of a draft unless you either:

1) Draft a QB yourself
2) Trade the top 3 pick for a big package of picks

This is just a function of how skewed positional value is in the NFL with no other position remotely close to QB.

 

[remydat]

You guys keep missing the point. Is a DT that doesn't get alot of sacks worth a top 5 pick? That is it. That was the question. Its a discussion about positional value in the draft.

I think the point you are missing is assuming that because Carter doesn't get sacks at GA, he won't get them in the NFL. The way he is used at GA is not necessarily the same way he will be used in the NFL. You also haven't accounted for pressure which is more relevant than simply sacks. Nor have you accounted for the difference in snaps as in the NFL you play more games. Carter only has about 216 pass rush snaps this year. Aaron Donald had 816 last year. Most elite guys will get around 600 or so. So around 3 times more snaps which would translate into 7-9 sacks even if you account for his production per snap dipping a bit with more play.

 

[bearsfan1977]

If we pick #2, I'm going to be very disappointed if we don't trade down to a QB hungry team. I do prefer Anderson over Carter though as a prospect.

The truth of it is that it can be very hard to get "appropriate value" at the very top of a draft unless you either:

1) Draft a QB yourself
2) Trade the top 3 pick for a big package of picks

This is just a function of how skewed positional value is in the NFL with no other position remotely close to QB.

Those are good points. Takes 2 to tango tho. All depends on the trade haul offered.

I happen to think Carter is a generational talent. I could be wrong. I wouldn’t be opposed to a trade down if the picks received were good.

The question of what is considered good enough is subjective, obviously.

 

[onebud34]

Imagine the bar being set as Tommie Harris for Bears fans in the defense. The year he was All Pro, he had 3 sacks.

Me thinks the OP doesn't understand the concept of a 3 Tech

 

[mattb78]

Most elite guys will get around 600 or so.

You are talking total snaps, right? Carter got about 400 snaps last season (UGASports - Snap Count: National Championship 2021 Season). An extra third would push him to about 5 instead of 3. Point taken though.

 

[mattb78]

Imagine the bar being set as Tommie Harris for Bears fans in the defense.

Kind of proves my point. Harris was the 14th overall selection. #3 that year was a guy named Larry Fitzgerald.

Its about positional value of a DT who although is very disruptive may or may not get a ton of sacks. The question was really if he doesn't get a ton of sacks is he justified at #3.

If Carter is an 8-10 sack guy per year you rush to the podium at #3.

 

[remydat]

You are talking total snaps, right? Carter got about 400 snaps last season (UGASports - Snap Count: National Championship 2021 Season). An extra third would push him to about 5 instead of 3. Point taken though.

No talking pass rush snaps. Donald had 816 pass rush snaps last year. Assuming no injuries then you can expect the top guys to be around 600 or so. Carter had 260 pass rush snaps last year. He has 216 this year as he has been banged up. GA rotates a lot so he doesn't get the level of pass rush snaps that he is likely to get in the NFL. Although to be fair I also didn't account for guys like Donald facing more pass rush snaps because Rams were a head a lot last year so teams passed more against them. Probably closer to 450-500 or so pass rush snaps for a team like the Bears.

Kind of proves my point. Harris was the 14th overall selection. #3 that year was a guy named Larry Fitzgerald.

Its about positional value of a DT who although is very disruptive may or may not get a ton of sacks. The question was really if he doesn't get a ton of sacks is he justified at #3.

If Carter is an 8-10 sack guy per year you rush to the podium at #3.

Pressures are more important than sacks. Pressure up the middle disrupts the passing game, causes TOs and makes the DEs more likely to get sacks. The sacks are a bonus. I would much rather a guy that gets pressure 15% of the time but only has 4 sacks than a guy who gets pressure 7% of the time but has 8 sacks.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Look at his QB hit numbers from last year. 15 QB hits last year, has 16 this year, but more of them are resulting in sacks than they did last year. He also has a career high TFL. He's also 25 years old, so maybe it's not a contract year performance thing. Maybe it's a guy coming into his prime getting better. This is exactly the player you sign as a free agent 100x out of 100 if you have a choice. If he was 28 and having his 1st big year, that'd be different, but he's young enough where you can reasonably expect him to have 3-4 years of high level performance.

good point.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

As for Carter, no one is Donald. Only Reggie White, Deacon Jones and Bruce Smith are on his level historically. That said, I do think he could be a huge impact player for the Bears. He might not register a ton of sacks, but he won't be invisible out there.

I read that "character concerns" are surfacing all of a sudden with Carter.
Anyone follow GA close enough to have heard any rumblings?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

good point.

Very good point

 

[ijustposthere]

How many posters watch more than 3-5 minute highlight reels?

That's probably worse than just looking at stats because you're just getting fed the absolute best plays.

We have at least one GA fan who might have watched more than 1 FULL game. I believe you'd have to watch at least 2 or 3 FULL games paying close attention to the d-line every series....who actually did that on CCS?

I love the assumption that just because skid ? doesn't watch college, there isn't any possible way there's a huge collection of college football fans on this forum

 

[bamainatlanta]

I read that "character concerns" are surfacing all of a sudden with Carter.
Anyone follow GA close enough to have heard any rumblings?

No. It’s all bullshit

 

[bearsfan1977]

I read that "character concerns" are surfacing all of a sudden with Carter.
Anyone follow GA close enough to have heard any rumblings?

Follow the program closely. It’s nonsense. Normally if it has been an issue, word leaks out, especially to the key boosters.

But who knows. Sounds like the same kind of bullshit that caused Fields to fall to the Bears. Here’s to hoping the same happens to Carter so the Bears can snag him.

 

[ILoveDick]

I love the assumption that just because skid ? doesn't watch college, there isn't any possible way there's a huge collection of college football fans on this forum

My assumption is that ppl have a life and don't watch an abundance of spectator sports.

 

[Britbuffguy]

How many posters watch more than 3-5 minute highlight reels?

That's probably worse than just looking at stats because you're just getting fed the absolute best plays.

We have at least one GA fan who might have watched more than 1 FULL game. I believe you'd have to watch at least 2 or 3 FULL games paying close attention to the d-line every series....who actually did that on CCS?

If only you'd take your own advice when discussing Fields.

 

[bamainatlanta]

My assumption is that ppl have a life and don't watch an abundance of spectator sports.

I simply don’t have time to watch all sports and my daytime soaps, so I mainly watch General Hospital and then football when I can. It’s a delicate balance. And at the end of the night when I go to bed, I take out my dentures and watch Matlock and Murder She Wrote reruns

 

[onebud34]

Kind of proves my point. Harris was the 14th overall selection. #3 that year was a guy named Larry Fitzgerald.

Its about positional value of a DT who although is very disruptive may or may not get a ton of sacks. The question was really if he doesn't get a ton of sacks is he justified at #3.

If Carter is an 8-10 sack guy per year you rush to the podium at #3.

Sacks from the 3 tech aren't really what measures their value to the defense.

Their ability to collapse the pocket leads to sacks from average pass rushing DE's and INTs from average CBs

 

[ijustposthere]

My assumption is that ppl have a life and don't watch an abundance of spectator sports.

This is the best ever. People have lives and don't have time for entertainment.

 

[ILoveDick]

This is the best ever. People have lives and don't have time for entertainment.

Oh, you're desperately trying for a gotcha moment. ?