Jaworski in Philly reporting Colts offered best deal BY FAR

[Starion]

Why would Bears be losing patience? I hope it's true they haven't offered 2 - 2nds.
PHI is the one on the clock for that roster bonus soon.

So meh about this either way. Fine if Pace gets Wentz - IF reasonably cheap. Fine if not. Kinda hope they draft a mid-late Rd QB and bring in a vet on the cheap, then draft QB early next year (I see a sub .500 season coming & Nagy's stubborn self gone).

 

[Bearly]

Just offer whatever the Colts do. 1 pick higher in the draft makes a Bear offer better.

 

[Toast88]

According to threads currently:
The colts made the best offer
bears are the best offer
the bears are growing impatient in trade talks for Wentz
Pace never made an offer for Wentz

I’m beginning to think that it is all a bunch of fake news for clicks

It's not the same source making all of those claims. It's like any other news that relies on unnamed sources---Some people are right and some are wrong. Each consumer has to decide for themselves which one they find credible based on evidence and track record of the source of information.

 

[Bearly]

According to threads currently:
The colts made the best offer
bears are the best offer
the bears are growing impatient in trade talks for Wentz
Pace never made an offer for Wentz

I’m beginning to think that it is all a bunch of fake news for clicks

I think we need to differentiate between 'news' rumors and supposition here. Some of these sources will speculate 3 different things and if one happens, declared he #calledit. More a case of alternate truths than fake news.

 

[dennehy]

They still have Brissett who I doubt they want to start without another option in their back pocket.

Basically a similar situation as the Bears. There are low end starters available in FA. They could draft someone. They could trade for someone.

Without an obvious clear cut starter, they’re both looking at multiple options for a single position.

Brissett in an unrestricted free agent. The only QB on their roster is Jacob Eason.

 

[Nail Polish]

I'm old enough to remember Jaworski making excuse after excuse for Favres interceptions on MNF

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

According to threads currently:
The colts made the best offer
bears are the best offer
the bears are growing impatient in trade talks for Wentz
Pace never made an offer for Wentz

I’m beginning to think that it is all a bunch of fake news for clicks

Not for clicks.

what you are seeing is the eagles trying to invoke the name of the Bears through media to use as leverage in negotiating with the Colts, and the Bears responding in kind through the media to say "no we really aren't interested".

Frankly to me this is just another reason to hate the eagles.

 

[BigBill]

The Bears just need to stop this nonsense! Why give up any draft capital for a QB with a huge contract who played substantially worse than Trubiskey. This is just a huge $120 million desperate gamble hoping they can turn him around.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

The Bears just need to stop this nonsense! Why give up any draft capital for a QB with a huge contract who played substantially worse than Trubiskey. This is just a huge $120 million desperate gamble hoping they can turn him around.

$120 million gamble?

 

[BigBill]

$120 million gamble?

That's the size of Went's contract

 

[dennehy]

That's the size of Went's contract

For the Bears it would be $98mil over four years, with a little less than half that guaranteed.

 

[Marley's Liberality]

my guess is that the Eagles are trying to goose the Bears offer by feeding lies to their national mouthpiece

I would bet the Colt offer is more like a second and a fourth

 

[ChiGuy]

It’s one of those situations where you can’t get into a bidding war. I don’t hate Wentz but there are just two many question marks. Completely against giving up any kind of first.

 

[vabearsfan15]

Of course no one truly knows if this report is true, but it is more in line with what I believe to be the fair market for Wentz. Whoever takes him on is paying him 20-25 a year coming off an abysmal season. Yes, you could cut him next year with no penalty,but he us still getting 25 mil this year.

Because of the cost, it's already a high risk trade. Adding a 1st on top is asking alot. I said previously I think a fair value for us is a 2nd + 4th.

 

[DaaBears]

I guess the best way to put it is this. If Wentz was on the Bears for the last few years and played like he did last year and his contract just ran out. Everybody here would unanimously be saying do not resign him. Let him go be a free agent. So given that, why would the Bears sign him now, and on top of that give up draft picks to do so, and sign him to a 4 year high priced deal. No offense to Wentz, I liked him as a QB but he just has not performed well for the last year, maybe the injuries, which is a negative, not a positive.

 

[Sculpt]

But the Colts are a lot closer to being a contender than the Bears, if they get a decent QB.

I can't argue that. Colts were 11-5.

Still, player-wise, I'd consider the Bears a solid playoff team with a good QB, considering the defense, Monty, receivers, and the decent job the OL did at the end of the year. So, along with the dire situation Pace/Nagy is in, I think Pace has reason to be one of the top bidders. The fact that he's apparently being restrained is a good marker of him looking out of the future of the Bears, that is looking past this year.

 

[Sculpt]

I guess the best way to put it is this. If Wentz was on the Bears for the last few years and played like he did last year and his contract just ran out. Everybody here would unanimously be saying do not resign him. Let him go be a free agent. So given that, why would the Bears sign him now, and on top of that give up draft picks to do so, and sign him to a 4 year high priced deal. No offense to Wentz, I liked him as a QB but he just has not performed well for the last year, maybe the injuries, which is a negative, not a positive.

Mostly because there's always hope a player can do better in a different environment (team). In happens infrequently, but does happen.

Another reason is Bears QB Coach DeFilippo was Wentz's QB coach 2016 & 2017: (QB rating) 101.9. Not to mention Foles was in the fold during his 17-18 success.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I can't argue that. Colts were 11-5.

Still, player-wise, I'd consider the Bears a solid playoff team with a good QB, considering the defense, Monty, receivers, and the decent job the OL did at the end of the year. So, along with the dire situation Pace/Nagy is in, I think Pace has reason to be one of the top bidders. The fact that he's apparently being restrained is a good marker of him looking out of the future of the Bears, that is looking past this year.

The Colts also have the second most cap space in the NFL right now. The Bears are in cap hell. Taking on Wentz's contract in and of itself would take some cap manipulation, and then how do you address AR? You can argue how good or how bad the Bears O-line was last year, but the one thing that you can't argue is Massie and Leno will be another year older, Miller needs to go, and K-met and Mooney being bigger contributors is still an unknown.

Now, if the Bears had the cap space the Colts did, you could make an argument for making such a trade that required "X" amount of draft capital to pull off, plug in some quality FA's and make your run.

 

[Bears Backer 54]

Colts are in a similar position to the Bears in that they are likely trying to be players in the QB free agency market but know that they have to have a second option in the wings. For the Colts, it's Brissett and for the Bears it's Foles. Neither of those really feel like viable option #2s and so both teams are fighting to acquire two QBs this offseason to have a redundancy plan. Difference for the Bears is that Pace and Nagy's depend on them having a #1 and #2 option at QB and that feels like that will lead to them overpaying while trying to save their jobs. Even if the Bears score Wentz, they can't keep Foles and Wentz in the same QB room and you likely are dealing Foles back to the Eagles as part of it. They still have to find a viable option #2 because if 2020 Wentz shows up that's Pace and Nagy's walking papers and if Wentz doesn't survive 16 games behind this offensive line, they also have to have someone besides a Tyler Bray player to try and save their season and careers.

 

[Bears Backer 54]

Mostly because there's always hope a player can do better in a different environment (team). In happens infrequently, but does happen.

Another reason is Bears QB Coach DeFilippo was Wentz's QB coach 2016 & 2017: (QB rating) 101.9. Not to mention Foles was in the fold during his 17-18 success.

Maybe DeFilippo doesn't have the influence in the front office given his recent arrival, but it must be telling that the Bears supposedly aren't offering much for a "known commodity to DeFilippo" in Wentz? If there is enough buy in from the front office that Wentz is the guy, I expect they will up the offer to win it but I'm not sure anyone in the front office or coaching rooms is willing to put their "do or die" career seasons on his shoulders.