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Well they lost right so how can it be considered winning?
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I think the Shark signing proves my point exactly. He pretty much got what we thought he would get coming in. Just because one team overpays for Happ does not mean everyone else gets overpaid. Pretty much everyone else has been right where we thought they would be. I expect some players to get the short end of the stick too.
As for Lackey. I still think there are/were better options for similar AAV and longer term solutions--some without the QO to boot.
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 14m14 minutes ago
rare praise from rival gm: "lackey deal looks real good, especially compared to some of the others." JL: 2 times 16 #cubs
rare praise from rival gm: "lackey deal looks real good, especially compared to some of the others." JL: 2 times 16 #cubs
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Shark turned down 5/85 two years ago, stunk it up big time in 2015, and signed for 5/90. That price went up. Exactly as I said before he signed.
Everyone was "right where we expected"? Price got 17 million more than expected, and Greinke got $3 million per year more than Price.
Lackey's price seems high for a 37 year old, but when every pitcher gets more - and most a LOT more - I don't understand why people think we overpaid so badly.
I don't like Lackey in general. He's a crab ass, always barking at somebody. I was not dying to see him come here over others. But I don't think we paid too much.
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The Cubs were buying out Arb so of course his price went up. Most people thought Shark was going to get just about what he got. There were multiple posts about him getting 20 million.
Price and Greinke were both projected to get 30 AAV, ESPN had Greinke at 21 AAV.
I am not unhappy about the salary. I don't like giving up a pick for a 2 year solution when there is no one waiting at the end of that time. In two seasons when they need a new replacement will they give up another pick.
I get that people are not going to agree. I hope he pitchers really well. Zimmerman seems like the missed opportunity.
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There are only so many long term contracts a team can give out. And if you give one to the 3/4 starter like Jeff than in a few years, you're just looking at being the Yankees/Dodgers were you're unable to sign/resign the guys you really need.
Also, if the Cubs decide to trade a young controlled arm, they'd still only be paying big money for three arms as Lackey+Hammel will expire and the Cubs will pay raises to Arrieta and that third arm.
Also, if the Cubs decide to trade a young controlled arm, they'd still only be paying big money for three arms as Lackey+Hammel will expire and the Cubs will pay raises to Arrieta and that third arm.
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From what it sounded like Theo had no dialog with Zimmernan. Not sure. Maybe he might be due for issues as is common from guys that have TJ. 5 years is the window if there is a break down and 100 mil is a big mistake to make. 30 mil seems minor on a mistake to 120 mil
I really don't see the hang up on the 27th pick. If it was top 15 I would get it. 27 is the pick they got Jackson and he was incomplete.
By the late first round the cream is gone and you get into maybe's.
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All the Cubs pitchers came after that anyways, and they can maybe even get a higher pick if someone signs Fowler. Wouldn't that be ideal?
This FO is pretty smart as to where to put their eggs, and I am sure they had every reason to sign Lackey for the short deal that they did. They are three to four years probably ahead of our thinking.
Lets wait and see what happens in the Winter Meetings. This is where the serious trade discussions go down, which I am confident that the Cubs are going to be involved in at least one.
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Reports surfacing that the Cubs have turned their attention to acquiring a closer. A number of names are being mentioned, but the consensus is that Chapman is the main target.
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After addressing a need for their rotation by adding veteran right-hander John Lackey on a reported two-year, $32 million contract, the Cubs have apparently turned their attention to upgrading the back-end of their bullpen.
ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick reports that the Cubs are “actively exploring” a trade for one of the one top closers. No specifics on who they are targeting, but a bunch of closers are reportedly available via trade right now, including Aroldis Chapman of the Reds, Ken Giles of the Phillies, Jake McGee and Brad Boxberger of the Rays, and Andrew Miller of the Yankees. The Nationals have also made Jonathan Papelbon and Drew Storen available.
The Cubs already have a pretty good closer in Hector Rondon, who had a 1.67 ERA and 69/15 K/BB ratio in 70 innings this past season. However, the prospect of using him in a set-up role in front of someone like Chapman (again, just speculation) is obviously really enticing.
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After addressing a need for their rotation by adding veteran right-hander John Lackey on a reported two-year, $32 million contract, the Cubs have apparently turned their attention to upgrading the back-end of their bullpen.
ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick reports that the Cubs are “actively exploring” a trade for one of the one top closers. No specifics on who they are targeting, but a bunch of closers are reportedly available via trade right now, including Aroldis Chapman of the Reds, Ken Giles of the Phillies, Jake McGee and Brad Boxberger of the Rays, and Andrew Miller of the Yankees. The Nationals have also made Jonathan Papelbon and Drew Storen available.
The Cubs already have a pretty good closer in Hector Rondon, who had a 1.67 ERA and 69/15 K/BB ratio in 70 innings this past season. However, the prospect of using him in a set-up role in front of someone like Chapman (again, just speculation) is obviously really enticing.
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I agree - Chapman would be a huge upgrade as you could have Rondon cover the 7th or 8th and Chapman the 8th or 9th. That kinda moves everybody down an inning and could possibly free up Wood to start if needed.
Chapman's fastball averaged over 100 mph in 2014 and he threw 105 once. That's nuts.
I worry about what the Reds would want for him, though...
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They need many players. I would expect lower level but more numbers.
Cease, McKenney, maybe 1 of the lefties. Add a IF bat. They also could be targeting Contres but seeing him close and potential impact it would lower the numbers from 4 to 2 and a fringe
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I'm a little disappointed they couldn't get Zimmerman, but Lackey isn't a bad deal. Hoping they shore it up even more with Kazmir, or get a 1c like Gallardo. Wouldn't mind Cueto, but it looks like his asking price will astronomical.
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The problem with Chapman is he is a FA next season. So the Cubs would have to offer a huge load to get him traded in division, and then pay the highest contract in RP history next offseason.
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Ken Giles to me is the guy to get. One, the Phillies might take younger prospects (that the Cubs have more to trade from) and Giles still has five years of control (two of which are dirt cheap). He obviously will not come cheap but if the Cubs can get him for a few of their sub 21 year old prospects, might make more sense for the Cubs. Also, Giles won't impact a potential signing where as Chapman costs closer to 10 million AND THEN will cost even more in FA.
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They could have easily had Zim. The money wasn't outrageous for him. Just cheap Theo and cheap Ricketts.
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Or they didn't want him. From the reporting done post signing it didn't sound as though the cubs even really talked to him.
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Who knows who the hell they want. Theo really doesn't say much beyond generalities leaving people scratching their heads when moves aren't made.