Jon Lester: Where Does He Rank Amongst MLB Starters V.3.4.1

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I'd say somewhere in the 10-14 range
 

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Top 5 among lefties, Top 10 overall. Can't think of too many pitchers who've stood as tall as he has in big games.
 

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The closed thread we had guys you want for the next three years figuring a tail off the second half of the deal which may or may not happen.

I think this is the list of guys everyone would want over Lester for that time period:

Sale, King Felix, Kershaw, Cueto, Price, Wainwright, Scherzer, Tanaka, Darvish, Grienke, Bumgardner, Strasburg, Hamels

Lester seems to fall into the next group that includes: Fernandez, Quintana, Harvey, Ventura, Ryu, Cain, Latos, Zimmerman, Gonzlez, Gray

And I think Lester would be in that group probably ahead of most for 2015, and in the rear by 2017. All and All it means Lester is a great pitcher.
 

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The closed thread we had guys you want for the next three years figuring a tail off the second half of the deal which may or may not happen.

I think this is the list of guys everyone would want over Lester for that time period:

Sale, King Felix, Kershaw, Cueto, Price, Wainwright, Scherzer, Tanaka, Darvish, Grienke, Bumgardner, Strasburg, Hamels

Lester seems to fall into the next group that includes: Fernandez, Quintana, Harvey, Ventura, Ryu, Cain, Latos, Zimmerman, Gonzlez, Gray

And I think Lester would be in that group probably ahead of most for 2015, and in the rear by 2017. All and All it means Lester is a great pitcher.

Strasburg is iffy with me. I question his mind. I keep waiting for the bottom to drop out on Cueto, but he is effective with his wildness. Scherzer I think does a Verlander tail off. I dont trust that powerful of pitchers for long. Tanaka? No way. Grienke? Maybe. He has been a lot better since he went to the big NL West.
 

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The closed thread we had guys you want for the next three years figuring a tail off the second half of the deal which may or may not happen.

I think this is the list of guys everyone would want over Lester for that time period:

Sale, King Felix, Kershaw, Cueto, Price, Wainwright, Scherzer, Tanaka, Darvish, Grienke, Bumgardner, Strasburg, Hamels

Lester seems to fall into the next group that includes: Fernandez, Quintana, Harvey, Ventura, Ryu, Cain, Latos, Zimmerman, Gonzlez, Gray

And I think Lester would be in that group probably ahead of most for 2015, and in the rear by 2017. All and All it means Lester is a great pitcher.

So is AL Cy Young winner Corey Kluber not worthy? He's certainly better than Lester.


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So is AL Cy Young winner Corey Kluber not worthy? He's certainly better than Lester.


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I don't know. Maybe his one season of 200 ip at 28 says no. Arrietta is an unknown but Kluber is one of the best pitchers cause of one season. Take your meds. The blackouts have got to stop


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Yeah, ok. Corey Kluber is freaking sick, but I shouldn't expect casual fans to be up to date with their knowledge.


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Yeah, ok. Corey Kluber is freaking sick, but I shouldn't expect casual fans to be up to date with their knowledge.


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Casual fan? This is his only 200 ip season of his career at 28. Lester track record trumps his Ya dummy


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He had a great year. But, If Arrieta did not start injured and played at that level over 32 games would he be at that level also? But he is not in the conversation because he is still a unknown. But Kluber gets a cy-young and now he is up with the top of the charts? Wow almost laughable. I wouldn't put Harvey up there until he proves he is the same guy post op.

I would put Lester as a proven #2 type. For the Cubs he is a ace.
 

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first off kluber had one year and he isnt this young stud.. id take lester over him imo due to experience but lester is getting paid ace money for what he has done not what he is expected to do.


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People said the same thing about Cliff Lee when his talent emerged. Lester is a good starting pitcher, but he's not worth $155 MM dollars. Your opinion that he's better than the reigning AL Cy Young winner is as good as mine, I guess. But it doesn't make much sense. IMO, Lester peaked two years ago, is clearly near the end of his prime, and probably worth a $125 MM contract in terms of true market value. The Cubs overpayed to get him for obvious reasons. Odds are the Cubs get two good seasons out of Lester before father time catches up with him. The days of sub 3.00 ERAs are probably over. As of right now, Kluber is the better pitcher.


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People said the same thing about Cliff Lee when his talent emerged. Lester is a good starting pitcher, but he's not worth $155 MM dollars. Your opinion that he's better than the reigning AL Cy Young winner is as good as mine, I guess. But it doesn't make much sense. IMO, Lester peaked two years ago, is clearly near the end of his prime, and probably worth a $125 MM contract in terms of true market value. The Cubs overpayed to get him for obvious reasons. Odds are the Cubs get two good seasons out of Lester before father time catches up with him. The days of sub 3.00 ERAs are probably over. As of right now, Kluber is the better pitcher.


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Remember when your team had something to talk about?
 

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People said the same thing about Cliff Lee when his talent emerged. Lester is a good starting pitcher, but he's not worth $155 MM dollars. Your opinion that he's better than the reigning AL Cy Young winner is as good as mine, I guess. But it doesn't make much sense. IMO, Lester peaked two years ago, is clearly near the end of his prime, and probably worth a $125 MM contract in terms of true market value. The Cubs overpayed to get him for obvious reasons. Odds are the Cubs get two good seasons out of Lester before father time catches up with him. The days of sub 3.00 ERAs are probably over. As of right now, Kluber is the better pitcher.



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So, Lester having one of his best years last year means he peaked two years ago? Holy ****, Dews get ya boy. I can take funny trolling. This just makes my head hurt. Please tell me you are not older then 16?
 

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Remember when your team had something to talk about?

yes. it was when aj and jenks mobbed each other when the last out of the WS was made. oh and we did talk a lot about that championship parade downtown. since than nothing much really until this offseason


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People said the same thing about Cliff Lee when his talent emerged. Lester is a good starting pitcher, but he's not worth $155 MM dollars. Your opinion that he's better than the reigning AL Cy Young winner is as good as mine, I guess. But it doesn't make much sense. IMO, Lester peaked two years ago, is clearly near the end of his prime, and probably worth a $125 MM contract in terms of true market value. The Cubs overpayed to get him for obvious reasons. Odds are the Cubs get two good seasons out of Lester before father time catches up with him. The days of sub 3.00 ERAs are probably over. As of right now, Kluber is the better pitcher.


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minus the contract id prefer lester.

counting the contract id take kluber.

sub era may be true and yes he isnt in his prime but you know for the most part what you will get with lester. he is a consistent 1a or 2 on a solid rotation with experience.

age will play a factor imo mid of his contract but to say kluber is better is pre mature at this point. hes either cliff lee or estoban loiza. we dont know.


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He had a great year. But, If Arrieta did not start injured and played at that level over 32 games would he be at that level also? But he is not in the conversation because he is still a unknown. But Kluber gets a cy-young and now he is up with the top of the charts? Wow almost laughable. I wouldn't put Harvey up there until he proves he is the same guy post op.

I would put Lester as a proven #2 type. For the Cubs he is a ace.

I dunno. I am pretty sure I'd have Lester as an Ace.
 

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