July 1

[houheffna]

Never said I wanted Ben Gordon over LeBron.

Not sure where that came from or how you got that from my post.

I said I don't consider being "in the conversation" as some sort of prize.

Maybe that makes you happy, I WANT Lebron, not just talking about it.

That was my point.

I don want my team making plans a year, 2 years in advance just to be in the conversation.

Hou, you posted a quote from Sam Smith that said if the Bulls don't get James at least they were in the conversation.

That's not the goal, the goal it TO GET LEBRON. not just be in the conversation.

That is my point.

Not the Ben Gordon stuff you brought up.

If they don't get in the conversation, how the heck do they get Lebron? Hypnosis?

His point is they have the money to walk in the room with Lebron and talk. They have the money to make a case. If they kept those players they can't talk to him...period.

 

[Fred]

Let me throw my 2 cents in here since I laughed out loud at Smith's comments today, as if anyone was arguing just signing Gordon without moving the Captain and his 9 million per year. I'll repeat what I said after the contract negotiations of 2008. If this organization knew how to evaluate it's own talent better, we could have Gordon and Salmons and MORE cap space instead of Hinrich and Deng on this current roster. A lineup of Rose-Gordon-James-Noah-Gibson with Salmons off the bench would have the potential to be the best offensive lineup in basketball. Instead, we're stuck with the oft-injured Deng, whose best asset is the ability to hit the worst shot in basketball, and Kirk Hinrich, a pile of suck and the most overrated player in Bulls history. By adding James, we're a contender, but we could have been better by chosing Gordon-Salmons over Deng-Hinrich.

 

[Shakes]

I doubt we make the Salmons trade if we had Gordon locked up and not Kirk, it's always the problem that making some moves affects the other moves you make.

But as I've said, my plan would have been to dump all of Kirk/Gordon/Deng, hopefully meaning we would have got a lottery pick last year and 2x max space this year. So my fantasy scenario is Rose/Curry/James/Bosh/Noah which is a better offensive lineup than Fred's best offensive lineup in basketball.

 

[TheStig]

Since we are throwing out our scenairos here. This one at least had some legs. I would have resigned BG, traded kirk in the following offseasin with tyrus for Boozer. We would have had:
Rose/lle signing
BG/Salmons
Deng/Salmons/JJ
Boozer/Taj
Noah/Miller

Wins at least 50 games and imo is in the ecf. And then sign and trade Salmons/Deng/ 1 st for Bron. Sign Bosh.

 

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

If they don't get in the conversation, how the heck do they get Lebron? Hypnosis?

His point is they have the money to walk in the room with Lebron and talk. They have the money to make a case. If they kept those players they can't talk to him...period.

I understand that. I don't disagree with you. But Sam said even if we DON'T get LeBron, at least we were in the position to be in the conversation.

Just that statement, on its own, is what I disagree with.

Maybe Sam didn't mean it like that. But to me, just being in the conversation doesn't make me feel good. Actually getting LBJ makes me feel good.

LeBron coming here wasn't really a reality until the last two games of the series. Now the Bulls have a legit shot.

And like I said, I'll tip my cap to JR and Bulls management if the Bulls get LBJ and the gamble pays off. Because it's a risk in my opinion to start making roster moves a year or two (not just the Bulls, but the Knicks too) in advance, in the hopes a FA comes here.

It's a big risk. About 85% of the things that need to happen for LBJ to come here have actually happened. The biggest one being the Cavs choking. Another might be Gilbert actually keeping Brown around.

 

[houheffna]

The Gordon/Salmons is better than Hinrich/Deng argument is insignificant. We are arguing over who would be the best 4th and 5th most important player on the team. That is so not important...

We have a strong possibility of getting Lebron James...Lebron friggin James, and people are still making imaginary rosters with Gordon and Salmons involved...that is just stupid...

And like I said, I'll tip my cap to JR and Bulls management if the Bulls get LBJ and the gamble pays off. Because it's a risk in my opinion to start making roster moves a year or two (not just the Bulls, but the Knicks too) in advance, in the hopes a FA comes here.

THIS IS NOT A RISK! LETTING GORDON AND SALMONS GO TO GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE FAs IN THE SUMMER IS NOT A RISK! Letting does people go to get a legit shot at arguably the most talented player in NBA history is worth it! Gordon isn't 1/10 of this guy and neither is Salmons...how else do you get a chance to talk to Lebron if not making moves in advance?

What you are pretty much saying is letting Gordon and Salmons go is worth it only if a major fa signs? Yet you understand that they left so that the Bulls could have space to sign those fas...and that talking to them before free agency starts is illegal.

So if they don't do things the way they did...how do they get those free agents?

 

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

THIS IS NOT A RISK! LETTING GORDON AND SALMONS GO TO GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE FAs IN THE SUMMER IS NOT A RISK! Letting does people go to get a legit shot at arguably the most talented player in NBA history is worth it! Gordon isn't 1/10 of this guy and neither is Salmons...how else do you get a chance to talk to Lebron if not making moves in advance?

What you are pretty much saying is letting Gordon and Salmons go is worth it only if a major fa signs? Yet you understand that they left so that the Bulls could have space to sign those fas...and that talking to them before free agency starts is illegal.

So if they don't do things the way they did...how do they get those free agents?

Yes it is a risk. Stop bringing up Gordon and Salmons because THIS is not about Gordon and Salmons. This is my opinion on how team should run their franchise.

I don't feel that it's a good idea to make moves 2 years in advance because you might get a free agent. That's my opinion. Nothing to do with Ben Gordon. So you can stop bringing him up already.

Let's look at the Knicks, so that way you can possibly not bring up Ben Gordon.

The Knicks started planning for 2010 2 1/2 years ago. What happens if they don't get James or Wade? Let's say they get Johnson and Boozer. Was it worth trading future draft picks and wasting 2 seasons to just land guys that, will make you a better team, but not a title contender? That's my point.

THUS it is a risk.

 

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

.how else do you get a chance to talk to Lebron if not making moves in advance?

Easy to say now AFTER the Cavs lost. Were you this confident in landing LeBron at the deadline in 2009 when we got Brad Miller's expiring? Were you this confident in getting LBJ a week ago at this time?

It's easy to come out and say "ha ha see I told you so" after the Cavs lost. No one this board thought getting LBJ was realistic UNTIL the Cavs choked.

I'll compare it to this:

After the Bulls played like crap in 2008 I wanted them to miss the playoffs and just be in the lottery. Some disagreed with that and wanted to get in the playoffs. The Hawks got in with 37 wins that year so the Bulls were always hanging around despite only winning 33 games.

The Bulls missed the playoffs and won the lottery with the 1.9% chance.

The way you are acting now about the Bulls landing LeBron would be like me saying "see I told you missing the playoffs was a good thing because we won the lottery!"

That was pure luck. I wouldn't take an "I told you so attitude" when it came to the 2008 draft, and you or Sam Smith shouldn't take an "I told you so attitude" when it comes to James because 1 week ago you guys didn't think getting James was realistic either.

It was all about Bosh.

 

[Bullsman24]

1.7%! get it right!!!!

 

[houheffna]

Oh good grief man...

Why do you think they got the expirings in the first place?????

If they didn't get Lebron, having a chance at Wade, Bosh, or even the plan b free agents would be better than what they have had the last decade. If the Bulls had to settle for Bosh, is that not improvement? Boozer and a shooting guard, that is not better? If the Bulls had to hold off and wait to try and get Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant...is it not worth it? C'mon man!

No No No No No. We're talking about LeBron James. Not any of the other starts listed. Sam Smith's comment is about LeBron James. Not anyone else. I'm aware that the Bulls can get other guys, but we're no talking about other guys. We're talking about the best player in the game, LeBron James.

Getting the best player in the game wasn't a realistic option until they lost to the Celtics. Now it is. But now you and Sam seem to be taking the attitude of "see I told you so" the Bulls were smart because now we can get LeBron.
You can't take an - I told you so attitude - because you wouldn't be talking about LeBron if he was still playing basketball right now.

IT WAS A GOOD THING!!!

Being that the Bulls made the playoffs and gave it their all the comparison doesn't work that well. Teams are saving room to acquire sure thing players who can take them to the next level. That is only smart to me man. There is no question of integrity or question of jilting the fans...everybody, I repeat...EVERYBODY, knew what the Bulls were doing when cutting payroll...I guess you don't understand why the Bulls and a half dozen other teams would try to set themselves up for the greatest class of free agents ever in any sport. If that is the case, you will never understand...

Yes, winning the lottery was a good thing. I agree. You're arguing with a point I wasn't making.

The point I was making would be me trying to say - "I told you so" - to people who supported making playoffs. Like I knew the Bulls would win the lottery. I wouldn't be sitting here bragging about it because it was pure luck.

And I know what the Bulls and teams were doing. You don't need to explain it to me. I just don't thing, as a general rule, it's a good idea. Easy to sit here now and say it was smart. But again, what if LeBron was still playing? What if he still ends up staying? Not just the Bulls, any team. Especially the Knicks who sacrificed two seasons and multiple draft picks. Is it worth it if they just end up with Joe Johnson and Boozer? I say no.
Signing free agents isn't a guarantee, that's why it's a risk.
Should teams start planning for Kevin Durant's free agency? Should a team make moves two years in advance now for Durant, who might not even come? Should teams start planning for Dwight Howard's free agency? He can opt out after 2012?

That's basically my point. And it just isn't in regards to the Bulls. But that's what you seem to think and debate me about. I'm talking teams in general. I'm talking in general terms but you seem to be in a mindset of "Kush hates Bulls management and wants Gordon." That's not even where I'm coming from, so I don't know what else to say there.

I'll take the 1996 FA class as the greatest free agency class in all of sports. Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Juwon Howard, and Dennis Rodman.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

Oh come on Hou. You're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight with that argument.

If Kush was Mutombo he sould be wagging his finger in the air because if you're going to make an argument you've got to bring it man.

As far as I'm concerned that argument is flimsy, it's cheesy and it's weak. It is SUCH a losing argument.

There is NO way LeBron is coming to Chicago. No way man. If he leaves Cleveland either he goes to Miami, he goes to New York (or quite possibly if Pocherov makes a ridiculous offer), he might consider going to Jersey.

But since the Bulls won't ever get LeBron (who won't even consider Chicago because it's Michael Jordan's city and it will ALWAYS be Michael Jordan's city) they should have re-upped on Gordon and kept him. It continues to hurt us and it will always hurt us.

Hou - GET THAT WEAK STUFF OUT OF HERE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeqyC8m3nP0

houheffna wrote:

I'm sorry is just being "in the conversation" worth something??? If the Bulls don't get James then who cares about being "in the conversation?" They were in the conversation for Kobe, Garnett and Gasol.

I was reading the other posts and Hou - I don't know why you make a point of LBJ being more important that Hinrich or Gordon or Salmons. Who on here has actually said that? No one? So I'm not sure why you say that?. It's like your arguing against statements that were never made.

But what I think you mean is - you are willing to let guys like Gordon or Salmons walk just for that opportunity for James. For you just having the chance is worth it. And that's where we disagree on that subject. For me I don't believe in planning for FA a year or two in advance. Because you might whiff.

If the Bulls get James, like I said in another thread, I'll give management huge props for gambling and winning. That's includes JR.
I just wouldn't have made that gamble. Mainly because I though LBJ was staying put 100%. But I also didn't see them losing to the C's who turned back the clock to 2008. So it's a risk the Bulls took and it could pay off big.

Obviously this is something that is 20/20. We can sit here and say - great move clearing cap room because we got LBJ. But what if we get no one? Then was it still worth it? I would say no. Hou, you might say yes. That's where we disagree. I don't take any consolation in just being "in the conversation."

I hope to buy a Chicgao Bulls 2010-2011 NBA Champions shirt. Not a 2010 "Hey we were in the conversation, Chris Broussard talks about us on ESPN" shirt.

Chris Bosh would be nice too. When I say whiff, I mean getting no one. Similar to 2000. I hope it doesn't happen.

Ok, let me get this straight...you are actually sitting there contemplating whether clearing capspace to go after 2 or 3 of the best players in the sport was worth it, because Gordon and Salmons are not here...Rev. Kush, you have officially lost your damn mind man...and probably half your congregation...don't preach that b.s. this Sunday. There won't be much in the offering tray...lol. Even the most loyal Gordon followers will put a boot to his ass to talk to Lebron, just to shake hands with Lebron is worth getting rid of Gordon's mediocre ass, and Salmons? He sucked half the season! You gotta be kidding me...

Dude, turn in all of your Bulls memorabilia, give up your podcast, I am exiling you to Detroit, you are better off as a Pistons fan...this was absolutely ridiculous! Oh my goodness....lawd have mercy! The boy don' went crazy, we gotta commit you to a sports home for crazy folk...wow.

 

[houheffna]

Oh come on Hou. You're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight with that argument.

If Kush was Mutombo he sould be wagging his finger in the air because if you're going to make an argument you've got to bring it man.

As far as I'm concerned that argument is flimsy, it's cheesy and it's weak. It is SUCH a losing argument.

There is NO way LeBron is coming to Chicago. No way man. If he leaves Cleveland either he goes to Miami, he goes to New York (or quite possibly if Pocherov makes a ridiculous offer), he might consider going to Jersey.

But since the Bulls won't ever get LeBron (who won't even consider Chicago because it's Michael Jordan's city and it will ALWAYS be Michael Jordan's city) they should have re-upped on Gordon and kept him. It continues to hurt us and it will always hurt us.

Hou - GET THAT WEAK STUFF OUT OF HERE!!!

You bring down the collective I.Q. of a conversation like minorities bring down property value...sad. You show up with an opinion and all of a sudden people feel dumber after reading it.

What "ridiculous" offer can be made man...explain that to me. What ridiculous offer.

You really think that 5, 10 minutes from now let alone months from now, people will regret Gordon leaving? Go watch hockey dude. When it comes to basketball I will tell you what I told someone else on here. You don't know s--- about basketball and you wouldn't know s--- if you fell in it.

Stop kissing Kush's ass, he's married. Get an autograph from him and get on with your life, interjecting yourself into a worthwhile intelligent conversation with b.s. and a youtube video and singing Kush praises is stupid.

I am going to be nice and just call you a basketball Special person...instead of what I originally wrote...which was really uncalled for...

 

[Kush77]

Oh good grief man...

Why do you think they got the expirings in the first place?????

If they didn't get Lebron, having a chance at Wade, Bosh, or even the plan b free agents would be better than what they have had the last decade. If the Bulls had to settle for Bosh, is that not improvement? Boozer and a shooting guard, that is not better? If the Bulls had to hold off and wait to try and get Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant...is it not worth it? C'mon man!

No No No No No. We're talking about LeBron James. Not any of the other starts listed. Sam Smith's comment is about LeBron James. Not anyone else. I'm aware that the Bulls can get other guys, but we're not talking about other guys. We're talking about the best player in the game, LeBron James.

Getting the best player in the game wasn't a realistic option until they lost to the Celtics. Now it is. But now you and Sam seem to be taking the attitude of "see I told you so" the Bulls were smart because now we can get LeBron.
You can't take an - I told you so attitude - because you wouldn't be talking about LeBron if he was still playing basketball right now.

IT WAS A GOOD THING!!!

Being that the Bulls made the playoffs and gave it their all the comparison doesn't work that well. Teams are saving room to acquire sure thing players who can take them to the next level. That is only smart to me man. There is no question of integrity or question of jilting the fans...everybody, I repeat...EVERYBODY, knew what the Bulls were doing when cutting payroll...I guess you don't understand why the Bulls and a half dozen other teams would try to set themselves up for the greatest class of free agents ever in any sport. If that is the case, you will never understand...

Yes, winning the lottery was a good thing. I agree. You're arguing with a point I wasn't making.

The point I was making would be me trying to say - "I told you so" - to people who supported making playoffs. Like I knew the Bulls would win the lottery. I wouldn't be sitting here bragging about it because it was pure luck.

And I know what the Bulls and teams were doing. You don't need to explain it to me. I just don't think, as a general rule, it's a good idea. Easy to sit here now and say it was smart. But again, what if LeBron was still playing? What if he still ends up staying? Not just the Bulls, any team. Especially the Knicks who sacrificed two seasons and multiple draft picks. Is it worth it if they just end up with Joe Johnson and Boozer? I say no.
Signing free agents isn't a guarantee, that's why it's a risk.
Should teams start planning for Kevin Durant's free agency? Should a team make moves two years in advance now for Durant, who might not even come? Should teams start planning for Dwight Howard's free agency? He can opt out after 2012?

That's basically my point. And it just isn't in regards to the Bulls. But that's what you seem to think and debate me about. I'm talking teams in general. I'm talking in general terms but you seem to be in a mindset of "Kush hates Bulls management and wants Gordon." That's not even where I'm coming from, so I don't know what else to say there.

I'll take the 1996 FA class as the greatest free agency class in all of sports. Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Juwon Howard, and Dennis Rodman.

 

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

Oh come on Hou. You're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight with that argument.

If Kush was Mutombo he sould be wagging his finger in the air because if you're going to make an argument you've got to bring it man.

As far as I'm concerned that argument is flimsy, it's cheesy and it's weak. It is SUCH a losing argument.

There is NO way LeBron is coming to Chicago. No way man. If he leaves Cleveland either he goes to Miami, he goes to New York (or quite possibly if Pocherov makes a ridiculous offer), he might consider going to Jersey.

But since the Bulls won't ever get LeBron (who won't even consider Chicago because it's Michael Jordan's city and it will ALWAYS be Michael Jordan's city) they should have re-upped on Gordon and kept him. It continues to hurt us and it will always hurt us.

Hou - GET THAT WEAK STUFF OUT OF HERE!!!

You bring down the collective I.Q. of a conversation like minorities bring down property value...sad. You show up with an opinion and all of a sudden people feel dumber after reading it.

What "ridiculous" offer can be made man...explain that to me. What ridiculous offer.

You really think that 5, 10 minutes from now let alone months from now, people will regret Gordon leaving? Go watch hockey dude. When it comes to basketball I will tell you what I told someone else on here. You don't know s--- about basketball and you wouldn't know s--- if you fell in it.

Stop kissing Kush's ass, he's married. Get an autograph from him and get on with your life, interjecting yourself into a worthwhile intelligent conversation with b.s. and a youtube video and singing Kush praises is stupid.

I am going to be nice and just call you a basketball Special person...instead of what I originally wrote...which was really uncalled for...

LOL. That's good stuff.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

Now that's a little better but I'm sorry...yet again I'm disappointed. You can do better than that. Ha! My grandma could have done better than that.

Does agreeing with someone and disagreeing with you automatically, by default, mean I'm brown-nosing Kush? If agreeing with someone meant we were brown-nosing them, we would all have brown noses and that goes for you too, man.

As much as I enjoy Kush's show and view his analysis to be on par, if not better than a lot of people on television, he's just a normal family guy who does a show from his home. No one else is saying I should be getting his autograph. I love how much he loves his family and is making sacrifices for them but I ain't asking for his signature.

Yet I agreed with him so that means I'm brown-nosing him and I'm "singing his praises."

But this is silly bro. Life is too short for fussing and fighting my friend. Can't we just shake and not quarrel anymore?

Tell you what. When we get back in the country why don't we meet up at the Red Lobster. My treat. When people are at odds and they sit down they always have more in common than they know.

I'm sorry if anything written yesterday angered you. It was written with jest and with no intention to harm you.

Let's not forget this is just a silly forum about a silly game called basketball. It's not worth insulting each other over Ben Gordon.

Sincerely,
Frankie Breakfast Sandwich Basketball Special person-Styleham



houheffna wrote:

You bring down the collective I.Q. of a conversation like minorities bring down property value...sad. You show up with an opinion and all of a sudden people feel dumber after reading it.

What "ridiculous" offer can be made man...explain that to me. What ridiculous offer.

You really think that 5, 10 minutes from now let alone months from now, people will regret Gordon leaving? Go watch hockey dude. When it comes to basketball I will tell you what I told someone else on here. You don't know s--- about basketball and you wouldn't know s--- if you fell in it.

Stop kissing Kush's ass, he's married. Get an autograph from him and get on with your life, interjecting yourself into a worthwhile intelligent conversation with b.s. and a youtube video and singing Kush praises is stupid.

I am going to be nice and just call you a basketball Special person...instead of what I originally wrote...which was really uncalled for...

 

[Bullsman24]

Kush77 wrote:

houheffna wrote:

Oh come on Hou. You're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight with that argument.

If Kush was Mutombo he sould be wagging his finger in the air because if you're going to make an argument you've got to bring it man.

As far as I'm concerned that argument is flimsy, it's cheesy and it's weak. It is SUCH a losing argument.

There is NO way LeBron is coming to Chicago. No way man. If he leaves Cleveland either he goes to Miami, he goes to New York (or quite possibly if Pocherov makes a ridiculous offer), he might consider going to Jersey.

But since the Bulls won't ever get LeBron (who won't even consider Chicago because it's Michael Jordan's city and it will ALWAYS be Michael Jordan's city) they should have re-upped on Gordon and kept him. It continues to hurt us and it will always hurt us.

Hou - GET THAT WEAK STUFF OUT OF HERE!!!

You bring down the collective I.Q. of a conversation like minorities bring down property value...sad. You show up with an opinion and all of a sudden people feel dumber after reading it.

What "ridiculous" offer can be made man...explain that to me. What ridiculous offer.

You really think that 5, 10 minutes from now let alone months from now, people will regret Gordon leaving? Go watch hockey dude. When it comes to basketball I will tell you what I told someone else on here. You don't know s--- about basketball and you wouldn't know s--- if you fell in it.

Stop kissing Kush's ass, he's married. Get an autograph from him and get on with your life, interjecting yourself into a worthwhile intelligent conversation with b.s. and a youtube video and singing Kush praises is stupid.

I am going to be nice and just call you a basketball Special person...instead of what I originally wrote...which was really uncalled for...

LOL. That's good stuff.

sigh...is this what we have come to... :S

 

[houheffna]

sigh...is this what we have come to...

Man, go back and see how I was talked to the first weeks on this forum...I had 17,18 year old kids (didn't know it then) talking to me like I was their age! I don't mince words anymore man. I gotta get them straight or they will treat me like crap again, just because they can...couple of guys on here in particular were over the top. But I let them know what time it was and they calmed all that down...Frank is mild compared to them...believe that...

To Breakfast Style Ham

I call you a basketball Special person with love. And you made a Special person ass statement...

"But since the Bulls won't ever get LeBron (who won't even consider Chicago because it's Michael Jordan's city and it will ALWAYS be Michael Jordan's city) they should have re-upped on Gordon and kept him. It continues to hurt us and it will always hurt us."

This paragraph alone has about 5 certifiable basketball-Special person statements in it. So no I am not angry...just stating the facts, the rest was just me going in...it was over once I started writing.

As far as your Kush praise. You have done that before. Same way you just did it, and I pretty much ignored it. I defended you against the "*** cruise" stuff because that was an insult that was not basketball related and unnecessary.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

Man if I was standing here in person there is no WAY you would have said that without your voice getting shaky and your lip quivering but nonetheless, I retort.

Thanks for sticking up for me then, man.

I assure you that had you written what Kush wrote and Kush was in your position I would have written the same exact thing in the same exact way. I don't kiss anybody's hiney (well...except maybe the friend who got us on this cruise where we'll get to see the whole world - if weather permits there's a chance we could go to Antarctica before this thing is done!).

Glad it's all good. Now bed.

houheffna wrote:

sigh...is this what we have come to...

Man, go back and see how I was talked to the first weeks on this forum...I had 17,18 year old kids (didn't know it then) talking to me like I was their age! I don't mince words anymore man. I gotta get them straight or they will treat me like crap again, just because they can...couple of guys on here in particular were over the top. But I let them know what time it was and they calmed all that down...Frank is mild compared to them...believe that...

To Breakfast Style Ham

I call you a basketball Special person with love. And you made a Special person ass statement...

"But since the Bulls won't ever get LeBron (who won't even consider Chicago because it's Michael Jordan's city and it will ALWAYS be Michael Jordan's city) they should have re-upped on Gordon and kept him. It continues to hurt us and it will always hurt us."

This paragraph alone has about 5 certifiable basketball-Special person statements in it. So no I am not angry...just stating the facts, the rest was just me going in...it was over once I started writing.

As far as your Kush praise. You have done that before. Same way you just did it, and I pretty much ignored it. I defended you against the "*** cruise" stuff because that was an insult that was not basketball related and unnecessary.

 

[houheffna]

Man if I was standing here in person there is no WAY you would have said that without your voice getting shaky and your lip quivering but nonetheless, I retort.

Ummm...you talking to me? For my lip to quiver, you need to have a big ass gun, or you look like the elephant man...7Ft tall Elephant Man...other than that, my lip ain't quivered since 1993...if somebody says something stupid, I call them out on it. That is life on a sports forum. I don't attack you in any way outside of sports. But no, no matter who you are, I would tell you that you are high on drugs or basketball Special person. Hell, Stig could be 7'10" and weigh 350...all muscle, and I would tell him to his face he is a basketball Special person, he would have to bend down a bit but I would. I might call him "Mr. Stig" but still...

 

[Diddy1122]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5193092

I think Jeff Van Gundy might be more of a Bball Special person than Frankie.