Justin Fields “BOMBSHELL” News!!!

[nc0gnet0]

OK let's say for some reason we're moving on from Fields in '25 even though he finished better than the #9 this year and you have to turn over both of the 1sts and the same amount you got (which you won't because 2 1sts is a lot more than most teams can offer).
You already built the offense and you've been building the defense. At that point paying a haul for a QB won't matter because it's the final piece of the puzzle and you made that '25 QB more likely to work out by building the offense in '24.

What are you planning on doing with those picks if you don't want to spend them? Why are you OK with spending a #1 worth a haul on 1 QB but not a haul to get a #1 QB? It's not adding up and that usually means someone isn't being honest.

Don't feed me that shit about worse draft class. That just tells me you're enamored with the hype about a player in the '24 draft class. Just be honest and say you see Williams or whoever as a can't pass up player. I could understand that, I fully expect that to be what happens.
If that's your stance tell me how you plan to get an offense for that QB in '24 season before he sees the field.

I think it could be done but I'm not seeing any fan who wants a QB now willing to do it and really don't expect the Bears to do it for the first time in 40 years.

Stop pretending that every year the qualitiy of QB's is the same.
Do you remember 2022 draft? You know the "Kenny Pickett" draft ?
Oh how nice it would have been to be forced to pay JF top dollar or draft Kenny Picket.

Stop slinging bullshit about how next year it would cost less to move up then it would this year. If that is the case, there is a reason for it, it means the QB class is weak.

What are you planning on doing with those picks if you don't want to spend them? Why are you OK with spending a #1 worth a haul on 1 QB but not a haul to get a #1 QB? It's not adding up and that usually means someone isn't being honest.

TBH I do not even know what the hell you are trying to say here. English this time?

 

[nc0gnet0]

Master smokescreen by Poles.

If he is indeed planning to trade the #1 pick, you don't give that info now. Yes, you will have teams trying to bid on that #1. However, you also give them a lot of time to think on what they are willing to give up. If you make it public right before, it creates a frenzy and teams don't have time to think and decide against it. It's human nature that if you are presented with something that you want real bad, but you have to make the decision right now, more times than not, people give in to the knee jerk reaction and do it no matter the cost. It's when you have the time to step back and analyze it that your emotions come out of the equation and your rational and calculating mind takes over. Keep the emotions in it...along with a short time limit, and that is when people are willing to give up more in order to get what they want. A good example of this is what Kevin Costner did to Jacksonville in Draft Day.

I don't know if he is planning to trade it or not. Frankly, I don't give a crap. He's going to do what he wants to do and none of us know what that is nor can we control it. Just giving a possible reason why he may be playing it this why IF he decides to trade it away.

And when 2-3 teams that might be interestred in trading up for the number 1 pick, instead opt to sign a FA QB for 30+ mil, because your smokescreen had them thinkiing it was not available, how is reducing the bidding pool a good thing?

Yisus, some of ya 'all are brain dead.

 

[nc0gnet0]

(not necessarily directed at you)

I remember a lot of talk about Aaron Rodgers last year on how there wasn't the trade market everyone thought there would be because he hadn't been moved when everyone expected him to be... It's fun to speculate, but nobody really has a clue what is really going on with the Fields trade market. I have no doubt there will be a 50 page thread to discuss the trade AFTER it happens and the compensation. (If it happens)

That is hardly an apples to oranges comp, not by any stretch of the imgination. Way to many variables in that to even consider your comp applicable. Cost, Aaron Rodgers commitment, etc etc.

 

[RPMcMurphy47]

It's just so baffling. Decade after decade of bad to mediocre QB play, and the Bears finally have a chance to draft a promising, uber talented QB with remarkable upside, and we have fans wanting to pass on this?? It's like Bears fans are so used to trash at the QB position they're afraid of the prospect. I can't for the life of me understand this. If CW busts, so be it, we still don't have a good QB, same as now. Passing on him, however, is insanity.

 

[hyatt151]

If you are wrong about Caleb and he sucks, I assume everyone waits to see which QB turns out to be good and then still calls Poles an idiot?

Wouldn't he be an even bigger idiot if Fields goes to a team with a good OLine and receivers and suddenly has probowl numbers?

So many over the top opinions out there.

your opinion is very much like the Trubisky takes from years ago

 

[PhilEBuster]

It's just so baffling. Decade after decade of bad to mediocre QB play, and the Bears finally have a chance to draft a promising, uber talented QB with remarkable upside, and we have fans wanting to pass on this?? It's like Bears fans are so used to trash at the QB position they're afraid of the prospect. I can't for the life of me understand this. If CW busts, so be it, we still don't have a good QB, same as now. Passing on him, however, is insanity.

This is all about Justin Fields. If any other first-round Bear QB was ranked 23rd and a complete headcase in the 4th quarter after 3 years fans would want him gone as soon as 1 (or in the case of this draft, 5) viable replacement was available. Somehow Bear fans feel like Fields is their BFF. Not sure how that all developed but that's what's driving the doubters . . .

 

[bearsforever]

And when 2-3 teams that might be interestred in trading up for the number 1 pick, instead opt to sign a FA QB for 30+ mil, because your smokescreen had them thinkiing it was not available, how is reducing the bidding pool a good thing?

Yisus, some of ya 'all are brain dead.

All you need is 2 teams in order to make a bidding war. No need to call me brain dead man. Why did you make a personal attack? I didn't say this is what he is doing or what I think he is doing. I don't care what happens. I specifically said that. I am going to watch the games no matter what we do before the season starts. I simply gave another option as to what could be happening. Hasn't the whole thread been about having an open mind and seeing it from a bunch of different angles? I didn't say it was a good or correct angle. Just gave an angle. I don't live and breathe sports like some around here. I watch it for entertainment. I don't see why people have to resort to name calling and belittling. Everyone has an opinion and are entitled to them right or wrong.

 

[RPMcMurphy47]

This is all about Justin Fields. If any other first-round Bear QB was ranked 23rd and a complete headcase in the 4th quarter after 3 years fans would want him gone as soon as 1 (or in the case of this draft, 5) viable replacement was available. Somehow Bear fans feel like Fields is their BFF. Not sure how that all developed but that's what's driving the doubters . . .

Yeah I don't get it. You compare his numbers in the same amount of games vs QBs like Mariotta or Trubisky, it's glaring how inept Fields's production has been.

Even compare his rookie year to Bryce Young's, and Young was actually a little better in passing statistics, yet these posters will demolish Young after a single year and still have hope in Fields after 3 years. Make it make sense.

 

[YoungPA]

It's just so baffling. Decade after decade of bad to mediocre QB play, and the Bears finally have a chance to draft a promising, uber talented QB with remarkable upside, and we have fans wanting to pass on this?? It's like Bears fans are so used to trash at the QB position they're afraid of the prospect. I can't for the life of me understand this. If CW busts, so be it, we still don't have a good QB, same as now. Passing on him, however, is insanity.

Because you already have an uber talented QB with remarkable upside. Who carried your sorry ass through a re-build. Where you gave him N'keal Harry & Dante Pettis to throw to. And now when you finally have a great defense, and your finaly in prime position to draft top WR's in a loaded WR draft, you pivot and try to start over with another QB. Thats what I call insanity.

 

[RPMcMurphy47]

Because you already have an uber talented QB with remarkable upside. Who carried your sorry ass through a re-build. Where you gave him N'keal Harry & Dante Pettis to throw to. And now when you finally have a great defense, and your finaly in prime position to draft top WR's in a loaded WR draft, you pivot and try to start over with another QB. Thats what I call insanity.

Lol carried? 10-28 record is carried? People that want to draft CW firmly believe he'll be superior to Fields coming out of the gate. And by year 3 we believe he'll be miles better than Fields.

And Fields doesn't have near the passing upside compared to Williams. It's not even close. After 3 years, an uber talented QB doesn't have a 60% completion percentage, or avg a mere 166.9 yards passing a game, nor a bottom tier passer rating. Tons of talented QBs have been drafted on bad teams with a bad roster. The good ones rise up. Enough excuses for Fields. It's tiresome.

 

[hebs]

That is hardly an apples to oranges comp, not by any stretch of the imgination. Way to many variables in that to even consider your comp applicable. Cost, Aaron Rodgers commitment, etc etc.

yeah. Definitely zero variables with Fields. Everything straight forward and known.

The comparison was simply that nobody knew what was going to happen. But sure, go as deep as you want down the rabbit hole and pull out anything you want. Maybe you’ll even figure out it’s your ass.

 

[bearsforever]

Lol carried? 10-28 record is carried? People that want to draft CW firmly believe he'll be superior to Fields coming out of the gate. And by year 3 we believe he'll be miles better than Fields.

And Fields doesn't have near the passing upside compared to Williams. It's not even close. After 3 years, an uber talented QB doesn't have a 60% completion percentage, or avg a mere 166.9 yards passing a game, nor a bottom tier passer rating. Tons of talented QBs have been drafted on bad teams with a bad roster. The good ones rise up. Enough excuses for Fields. It's tiresome.

After 3 years in the league, Peyton Manning had a passer rating of 60.4%. After 4 years, it was at 61%. It wasn't until his 5th year that number began to rise. I would say he was pretty uber talented. It can happen. It is not only the QB. It also has to do with the team around him. The weapons, the coaches (game plan) and the protection. All things that Fields has not had the best of in his first 3 years.

 

[RPMcMurphy47]

After 3 years in the league, Peyton Manning had a passer rating of 60.4%. After 4 years, it was at 61%. It wasn't until his 5th year that number began to rise. I would say he was pretty uber talented. It can happen. It is not only the QB. It also has to do with the team around him. The weapons, the coaches (game plan) and the protection. All things that Fields has not had the best of in his first 3 years.

I mean, come on. Manning threw for 4,135 yds in year 2 with a 13-3 record. Year 3 he threw 4,413 yds with 33 passing TDs with a 10-6 record.

I do agree however that Fields can be better in the right system with the right schemes and talent around him.

 

[Myk]

I say again - who decided that?


Everything you have on that is coming from the same media sources who have been gassing up the fans and yet didn't even see the Ryan Bates trade coming.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't means Poles hasn't considered the possibility of trading the #1 overall pick for a haul, and then using one of those picks (which would NOT be at #1 now that it has been traded), on a quarterback. That's a possibility. We can debate the likelyhood of that possibility, sure.

BUT - critical thinking means you leave your mind open for the possibility - meanwhile, you lecture me on critical thinking to win an internet pissing contest while closing your own mind on a third option while attempting to shove a close-minded 2 option scenario down my throat; literally the antithesis of critical thinking dude....

It's common sense. It's history.
Nobody who has the #1 in their pocket and wants a QB is dropping to risk not getting their QB. We're not getting rid of our #11 QB who is OK to get a higher risk to bust lower pick rookie QB.

If Poles is going to trade off Williams/Maye/Daniels/etc to go for a longshot in the late 1st or later when we already have Fields he should be fired as soon as the tells people his plans. There's a reason nobody does that.
Like I said, if GB had the #1 they would've taken Rodgers because they knew he was it or a different QB with the #1. They wouldn't have traded down to 26 and hoped Rodgers was still there.
That's not how anyone does it.

That is you letting your desire to keep Fields cloud your thinking.

Now if you wanted to say Poles may not like the hyped #1 prospect and get the hyped #2 or #3 prospect at #1, yes that historically happens. And it works, see the '23 draft. Probably won't work for the Bears because we suck at evaluating QBs but it has worked for other teams.

The only way what you say happens is because we like Fields as our starter and for some reason don't think Bagent is a good backup. But considering who Bagent beat out for the #2 position and how he played we're not going to waste a pick to find another backup for Bagent's 2nd year.

Critical thinking does NOT mean jumping on ridiculous conspiracy theory level trash just because it's possible. Critical thinking requires considering the likelihood.

It's like me wanting to build an offense and then getting a QB because of the likelihood the Bears get the #1 QB and say 2 OTs, a TE and a WR is a great situation and until the QB proves he's good they're not spending more on offense.
If Poles does get the #1QB and builds an offense for '24 my opinion of him will change greatly. I may not agree with him not building around Fields to give him every opportunity to succeed but I'd have a lot more respect for him showing he can show some urgency in building around a QB he believes in.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Because you already have an uber talented QB with remarkable upside. Who carried your sorry ass through a re-build. Where you gave him N'keal Harry & Dante Pettis to throw to. And now when you finally have a great defense, and your finaly in prime position to draft top WR's in a loaded WR draft, you pivot and try to start over with another QB. Thats what I call insanity.

We have a different definition of carried. Because the record suggests he didnt carry shit

 

[SlickWilly]

OK let's try some of that critical thinking.

Fields is our guy or Williams is our guy. There is no amount of offers that's going to change that.

If you're wishy washy on both players you stick with the one you know. It's never going to be make me an offer I can't refuse to change my mind about the OK player I'm good with to take the player I think would be equal.

If you want the money for #1 it takes a player like Williams and many teams bidding for him. That is why it's not done with the #1 QB.

You're not keeping a 1st round QB on his rookie contract and getting another rookie QB at #1 to make one a backup. The only smokescreen is in fan's minds trying to rationalize what they want to believe.

A lot of idiots here really believe this. It's sad.

 

[Myk]

Stop pretending that every year the qualitiy of QB's is the same.

Stop pretending you know the quality of the draft classes years in advance.

Stop slinging bullshit about how next year it would cost less to move up then it would this year.

I never said that. In fact I said the opposite of that.

TBH I do not even know what the hell you are trying to say here. English this time?

It makes sense that you can't read English. Thank you for admitting it. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to solving it.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

That is you letting your desire to keep Fields cloud your thinking.

For once I'm going to take the Kinder approach.

Please explain to the class how me telling you that you need to keep your mind open to the possibility that Ryan Poles trades the #1 pick AND Justin Fields is me "letting my desire to keep fields clouding my judgment" - given that in that scenario, the Bears end up with neither Caleb Williams nor Justin Fields?

Please explain it and be very detailed. No using generic cop-outs like "common sense" - be specific.

Because between the two of us in that scenario the only one who seems to be getting upset is you. I'm the one who proposed the scenario where the Bears end up with neither quarterback. Logic would dictate the only reason that would upset you is you want one of them and given your weird attack on me over Justin fields, it's reasonable to assume that you are attached to the other quarterback.

I hate to break it to you but it could very well be that the Bears internally determined Caleb Williams to be too high risk in terms of personality and ability to mentally handle the NFL, regardless of the media constantly glazing the prospect. He may also be done with Justin Fields. In which case, it remains a possibility, and that's all I'm saying is it is a logical possibility, that he gets the haul, still trades fields, and takes one of the other quarterbacks.

I don't see how that's a controversial take when using critical thinking, nor do I understand how such a scenario would paint me as someone who is " letting my desire for them to keep Fields cloud my judgment" - rather, it feels like you are simply projecting instead....

 

[Myk]

A lot of idiots here really believe this. It's sad.

The only way I could see that happening is if teams try to strong arm us into a ridiculously low trade for Fields knowing he'll be FA in a year. But even then it's doubtful we go with both because of potential locker room issues.

More likely if no good pick offers are made before the draft and we get the #1QB Fields would be traded for a player another team no longer needed because of the draft.

 

[baselman1974]

It's just so baffling. Decade after decade of bad to mediocre QB play, and the Bears finally have a chance to draft a promising, uber talented QB with remarkable upside, and we have fans wanting to pass on this?? It's like Bears fans are so used to trash at the QB position they're afraid of the prospect. I can't for the life of me understand this. If CW busts, so be it, we still don't have a good QB, same as now. Passing on him, however, is insanity.

The Bears don’t know how to develop QBs.
1. Cutler was up and coming and what we do? Gave him Jamarcus Webb as LT and Hester as WR1.

They didn't get him help until 2011. Three years after he was traded to the Bears. He was damaged goods by then.

2. Mitch Trubisky. Pace drafted wrong guy but Nagy didn’t want to develop him by ignoring Mitch’s attempts to talk to him about his development.

Nagy is an asshole. He didn’t like Foles as well because Foles criticized him and his perfect playbook.

3. Fields. The Bears should’ve stuck with the game plan of starting Dalton or Foles until Fields caught up to the speed of the game and learn NFL concepts and the speed of the game.

Instead put Fields after Dalton got hurt and the O-line was subpar. Mustipher was the starting Center. That says it all.

Now you want to put Williams in the starting lineup right away. I believe he has to earn it not give it to him. Russell Wilson snatched that starting QB gig in Seattle by out playing Flynn in mini camps, training camp, and preseason.


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