KAP: Flus & Poles was an arranged marriage

[TL1961]

* No censorship.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Source? If it's David Kaplan, the guy is pretty well known for spouting off speculation while passing it off as fact.

This is the Kaplan meatball cycle.

He's completely on the side of the Bears until it's impossible to be on their side and then when they make the right move he brings his pompoms out and cheers for everyone else in the building and defends a guy like Ryan Poles.

Poles deserves to be fired because he has not rebuilt this roster at all. And he wasted draft capital on Claypool and Sweat.

Add in the dithering on the Matt Eberflus firing or the hiring of Eberflus at all and there's nothing defensible here. Ryan Poles does not know what he's doing.

 

[Penny Traitor]

I highly doubt that Poles was going to be able to bring in his own guy.

I think the better way of looking it at is, did Poles really have his own guy(s) or was Matt Eberflus the closest thing to that?

This time he has a couple months over a handful of days to interview for the gig. Poles strikes out again, then maybe this job was never for him to begin with.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Poles hadn’t even been hired when Eberflus did his first interview. They had already narrowed the list down to three candidates when he was hired. At best he had his choice between the three candidates the FO and Bill Polian gave him. And lol at thinking for a second they gave him the authority to make that decision on his own.

And anybody that takes to heart canned answers coaches, GM’s, players use in press conferences or interviews with the media is an idiot. Ryan Poles isn’t going to talk shit on Matt Eberflus when asked a question by a member of the media. What the hell do you think he’s going to say when asked about the hiring of Eberflus? “I didn’t even want him. It wasn’t really even my choice. If this goes bad you can blame my bosses because they lead the hiring process. if they want to fire me for saying this and throwing them under the bus then so be it. I’m perfectly happy losing my job that pays me millions of dollars annually so you, a member of the media who I don’t give a shit about can write an article.”

Your hypothesis is cute but considering the mutual Trace Armstrong connection this wasn't forced upon Poles. No one twisted his arm no one told him what he had to do. This was all orchestrated in part by Armstrong who was rumored to be ready to become the football operations chief and then became the shadow president with Poles Eberflus and Waldron.

Warren is here to build the stadium and cry over how much he loves Ginny.

 

[TL1961]

“Has not rebuilt this roster at all”

Please post the roster when he took over vs now.

 

[jive]

If Flus didn't suck so bad, you'd have everyone trying to take credit for the hire as opposed to everyone trying to distance themselves from it.

 

[Aquineas]

Why does something we all lived through need to be confirmed by anybody? It wasn’t decades ago. It was 3 years ago. There were articles daily on what was happening. It’s not a mystery we need an investigation into. The coach and GM hiring process was going on simultaneously. They brought in Bill Polian and he lead the coaching search. There were reports everywhere the coaching candidate list was down to 3. Caldwell, Eberflus and Quinn. These reports were all out before Poles had even been hired. To think they went through all this without Poles and then when they hired let him take over is laughable. It’s pointless to go through that narrowing process if it’s all moot because you’re going to let your newly hired GM take over and bring his own guys in anyway. Its doesn’t take a genius to figure out Bill Polian had more say than anybody in the process of picking the HC. Two of the three candidates were a current Colts coordinator and another was a long time coach of the Colts. Wanna guess what organization Bill Polian came from?

The Chargers!!? (j/k)

 

[bamainatlanta]

If Flus didn't suck so bad, you'd have everyone trying to take credit for the hire as opposed to everyone trying to distance themselves from it.

How many fired coaches do people try to take credit for?

 

[Bolek]

Been saying this since day one and now it’s finally confirmed. Flus was dropped on Flus by George, just like Fox and Pace.

A guy from the Chiefs hiring a cover 2 DC never made sense and now we finally get confirmation of the truth.

George is the problem, he constantly meddles and is why this organization is the way it is.

Of course thats what happened. Flus had 2 interviews before Poles was even hired. George needs to get his geriatric hands off football decisions. Thats why ownership of this franchise has been the problem for decades

 

[HearshotKDS]

I highly doubt that Poles was going to be able to bring in his own guy.

"Hey we paid Polian half a million to come up with the 3 names on this list, but if you want to throw that out the window your first day on the job I guess the answer isnt immediately 'NO'".

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

How many fired coaches do people try to take credit for?

When Scott Pioli was finally out of GM positions in the NFL and worked for ESPN....they listed on his credentials "earned the #1 overall pick for the KC Chiefs"

 

[BNB]

It's less Eberflus was forced on Poles as much as it's Eberflus was one of three coaches forced on Poles because of the weird and stupid way that whole hiring cycle went.

So he had the illusion of choice.

In hindsight, maybe Ryan Poles hired Matt Eberflus because as a very young and very green General Manager, Ryan Poles was more intimidated by the two veteran coaches and hired someone too much like himself. It's common misstep for young managers in all professions I imagine.

So now does he have the guts to hire a HC that is going to challenge him as well as this entire team.

Poles hadn’t even been hired when Eberflus did his first interview. They had already narrowed the list down to three candidates when he was hired. At best he had his choice between the three candidates the FO and Bill Polian gave him. And lol at thinking for a second they gave him the authority to make that decision on his own.

And anybody that takes to heart canned answers coaches, GM’s, players use in press conferences or interviews with the media is an idiot. Ryan Poles isn’t going to talk shit on Matt Eberflus when asked a question by a member of the media. What the hell do you think he’s going to say when asked about the hiring of Eberflus? “I didn’t even want him. It wasn’t really even my choice. If this goes bad you can blame my bosses because they lead the hiring process. if they want to fire me for saying this and throwing them under the bus then so be it. I’m perfectly happy losing my job that pays me millions of dollars annually so you, a member of the media who I don’t give a shit about can write an article.”

I highly doubt that Poles was going to be able to bring in his own guy.

It's been reported for a while now, and pretty much from the beginning, that Poles always wanted Flus.

George himself said one of the reasons why they liked Poles was because when they asked him, as they did with all the GM candidates, which head coaches they had in mind, Poles had Flus on his list. And since George had already met with Flus and scheduled a 2nd interview, he loved the idea of pairing Poles with Flus.

I said this in another thread, but it can be argued that is wasn't that Flus was one of the 3 options forced onto Poles, but rather that he got the GM job because he originally wanted one of their 3 choices - in this case, Flus.

One theory I would accept - Trace Armstrong, which both Flus and Poles' agent, tipped Poles off before his interview about Flus getting a 2nd interview, and Poles namedropped Flus thinking it would give him a leg up over the competition.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Does anyone think that Poles had inside connections with top NFL coaching talent?

In case you are on the fence, this is the team that hired Shane Waldron to be their OC.

 

[dabears70]

Is there a specific source/video where this in confirmed or something? I know it's been speculated a lot, and I found it very odd that a GM is hired, and like a day or 2 later the head coach is announced after interviewing with ownership before the GM has been hired. It just never smelled right to me.

It is not confirmed but Kaplan said this was how it was on his show today. Not sure how much i would put on Kaplan saying it but i've always been on the side of Flus being forced on Poles just like i always thought Fox was forced on Pace.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

It is not confirmed but Kaplan said this was how it was on his show today. Not sure how much i would put on Kaplan saying it but i've always been on the side of Flus being forced on Poles just like i always thought Fox was forced on Pace.

Not disagreeing, but Pace was an absolute nobody when he was hired. Basically his resume was that he got Sean Payton's coffee. I thought, at the time, that Pace 'inheriting' John Fox was a steal because Pace couldn't have attracted ANY pro level coach at that point.

I kind of think the same thing for Poles. He was a nobody as well...to think that Poles would have been able to bring in an NFL-ready HC is kind of absurd. I don't think these HCs were forced on the GMs as much as the organization had no faith that the GMs could bring in anyone better....which is a systemic problem.

 

[Anytime23]

The next few months are going to awesome. The same group of Poles smokers who swore to the heavens that Flus was his hire are now going to put this all on McCaskey and the Tanesha Wade hiring committee, just to exonerate him from one of the worst coaching hires in NFL history.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

The next few months are going to awesome. The same group of Poles smokers who swore to the heavens that Flus was his hire are now going to put this all on McCaskey and the Tanesha Wade hiring committee, just to exonerate him from one of the worst coaching hires in NFL history.

I hope he brings back Trestman.

 

[onebud34]

How many fired coaches do people try to take credit for?

I took credit for the Nagy firing

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Been saying this since day one and now it’s finally confirmed. Flus was dropped on Flus by George, just like Fox and Pace.

A guy from the Chiefs hiring a cover 2 DC never made sense and now we finally get confirmation of the truth.

George is the problem, he constantly meddles and is why this organization is the way it is.

it was and the cope brigade hated it being pointed out

 

[Salvaged Ship]

If Poles was hired 2 days before Eberflus how could he possibly have had sufficient time to call it his decision? This kind of hire takes a long time, a lot of research and vetting, many interviews. How much could he have been involved in the process that ended up getting down to the candidates he was given to choose from?

I am not giving Poles a pat on the back, he has made some good decisions as well as some bad ones. I can’t give too much blame for ending up with Eberflus however if he wasn’t involved in the process that was finalized 2 days after he was hired.