KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Deadlin

[Diddy1122]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Kirk Hinrich CAN shoot well...he's just not. Which of course makes everyone slam him out of 1) anger that he's playing like shit, which is logical 2) anger that he got paid more than you wanted him too, but you forget that at the time the contract was deserved and management could not have predicted his current suckitude or Derrick Rose getting drafted 3) people here like BG more than Hinrich, don't you dare say otherwise because as a whole, this is true, and BG was treated like crap while Hinrich got a contract that was better than the one offered to Ben, thus Kirk Hinrich gets the hate, rather than management since it's THEIR fault BG wasn't signed.

Okay, let the Hinrich smashing continue, sorry for the interruption.

Despite what you may think, there's no big Hinrich conspiracy on this board. We all want him to play well because it will make the team better. But the fact is he's not playing well & other than 1 good season, he's been incredibly average over the coarse of his current contract, that's what pisses me off the most.

And please stop saying Hinrich can shoot. The guy is a career 41% shooter. He can't shoot well at all.

 

[TheStig]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

Diddy1122 wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Kirk Hinrich CAN shoot well...he's just not. Which of course makes everyone slam him out of 1) anger that he's playing like shit, which is logical 2) anger that he got paid more than you wanted him too, but you forget that at the time the contract was deserved and management could not have predicted his current suckitude or Derrick Rose getting drafted 3) people here like BG more than Hinrich, don't you dare say otherwise because as a whole, this is true, and BG was treated like crap while Hinrich got a contract that was better than the one offered to Ben, thus Kirk Hinrich gets the hate, rather than management since it's THEIR fault BG wasn't signed.

Okay, let the Hinrich smashing continue, sorry for the interruption.

Despite what you may think, there's no big Hinrich conspiracy on this board. We all want him to play well because it will make the team better. But the fact is he's not playing well & other than 1 good season, he's been incredibly average over the coarse of his current contract, that's what pisses me off the most.

And please stop saying Hinrich can shoot. The guy is a career 41% shooter. He can't shoot well at all.

I really think he would be a better player starting next to a wade or kobe.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

Diddy1122 wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Kirk Hinrich CAN shoot well...he's just not. Which of course makes everyone slam him out of 1) anger that he's playing like shit, which is logical 2) anger that he got paid more than you wanted him too, but you forget that at the time the contract was deserved and management could not have predicted his current suckitude or Derrick Rose getting drafted 3) people here like BG more than Hinrich, don't you dare say otherwise because as a whole, this is true, and BG was treated like crap while Hinrich got a contract that was better than the one offered to Ben, thus Kirk Hinrich gets the hate, rather than management since it's THEIR fault BG wasn't signed.

Okay, let the Hinrich smashing continue, sorry for the interruption.

Despite what you may think, there's no big Hinrich conspiracy on this board. We all want him to play well because it will make the team better. But the fact is he's not playing well & other than 1 good season, he's been incredibly average over the coarse of his current contract, that's what pisses me off the most.

And please stop saying Hinrich can shoot. The guy is a career 41% shooter. He can't shoot well at all.

Well no shit you want him to play better, what kind of fan would you be if you didn't? I don't think there is a Hinrich conspiracy, I think that this is the near drone equivalent for Kirk Hinrich.

And do you want to know why I think Kirk Hinrich has the ability to shoot? In the 04-05 playoffs, Kirk shot 45% from the field and 51% from 3 averaging 21 ppg. Too small a sample size? How about 06-07 when he shot 45% from the field and 42% from 3 for 16.6 points. It's a shame that that was his career year and that he hasn't played that well after he got the contract following that year. Yes, I know career 41% shooting is not that good, but last time I checked 38% from 3 is at least above average. Even though he isn't much of a Derrick Rose take it to the hole kind of player, he shoots the 3 fairly well, or so his career stats say. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a lowly high schooler.

 

[Diddy1122]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Kirk Hinrich CAN shoot well...he's just not. Which of course makes everyone slam him out of 1) anger that he's playing like shit, which is logical 2) anger that he got paid more than you wanted him too, but you forget that at the time the contract was deserved and management could not have predicted his current suckitude or Derrick Rose getting drafted 3) people here like BG more than Hinrich, don't you dare say otherwise because as a whole, this is true, and BG was treated like crap while Hinrich got a contract that was better than the one offered to Ben, thus Kirk Hinrich gets the hate, rather than management since it's THEIR fault BG wasn't signed.

Okay, let the Hinrich smashing continue, sorry for the interruption.

Despite what you may think, there's no big Hinrich conspiracy on this board. We all want him to play well because it will make the team better. But the fact is he's not playing well & other than 1 good season, he's been incredibly average over the coarse of his current contract, that's what pisses me off the most.

And please stop saying Hinrich can shoot. The guy is a career 41% shooter. He can't shoot well at all.

Well no shit you want him to play better, what kind of fan would you be if you didn't? I don't think there is a Hinrich conspiracy, I think that this is the near drone equivalent for Kirk Hinrich.

And do you want to know why I think Kirk Hinrich has the ability to shoot? In the 04-05 playoffs, Kirk shot 45% from the field and 51% from 3 averaging 21 ppg. Too small a sample size? How about 06-07 when he shot 45% from the field and 42% from 3 for 16.6 points. It's a shame that that was his career year and that he hasn't played that well after he got the contract following that year. Yes, I know career 41% shooting is not that good, but last time I checked 38% from 3 is at least above average. Even though he isn't much of a Derrick Rose take it to the hole kind of player, he shoots the 3 fairly well, or so his career stats say. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a lowly high schooler.

I won't fault you for being a high schooler, even though that means you've seen maybe a 1/4 of the basketball I've seen in my life. No one's an ageist on here, atleast to my knowledge anyway. But I will say I've seen alot of good shooters over the years & Hinrich is definitely not among them.

I like Kirk. I really do. I think he has a good skill set, plays hard, & with passion. But I realize that he has some serious holes in his game, shooting being 1 of them. Kirk had a couple good playoff series that's true. And I stated he had 1 career year during the coarse of his current contract, that year was 06-07. But he has also been a model for inconsistency for the majority of that contract. I've watched Kirk since he was a freshman at Kansas & let me tell you, he could shoot it back then. I don't what he's lost since then, but I'd love to see him get it back.

 

[st. park]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

Diddy1122 wrote:

Kendall just stated in the post-game, the biggest difference in the matchup between the Bulls & the C's this year as opposed to last, is the loss of Gordon. He went on to further add that having a consistent perimeter threat like BG helps space the floor our slashers & keep Boston's defense honest.

I'm glad someone in the media actually said this. It's so painfully obvious at this point.

 

[Fred]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

Diddy1122 wrote:

Kendall just stated in the post-game, the biggest difference in the matchup between the Bulls & the C's this year as opposed to last, is the loss of Gordon. He went on to further add that having a consistent perimeter threat like BG helps space the floor our slashers & keep Boston's defense honest.

He'll probably be fired by the end of the year. I believe Reinsdorf put down an edict to his lapdogs not to mention him. Noah's better, Deng is playing better, Taj was added to the team...it's basically the same team that was extremely dangerous at the end of last year, but without one guy. And you have Kashul and Wennington, "Yeah, we came flat." "Flat" is exactly what you should expect if you let a top-20 scorer walk for cap space.

 

[Fred]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Kirk Hinrich CAN shoot well...he's just not. Which of course makes everyone slam him out of 1) anger that he's playing like shit, which is logical 2) anger that he got paid more than you wanted him too, but you forget that at the time the contract was deserved and management could not have predicted his current suckitude or Derrick Rose getting drafted 3) people here like BG more than Hinrich, don't you dare say otherwise because as a whole, this is true, and BG was treated like crap while Hinrich got a contract that was better than the one offered to Ben, thus Kirk Hinrich gets the hate, rather than management since it's THEIR fault BG wasn't signed.

Okay, let the Hinrich smashing continue, sorry for the interruption.

Despite what you may think, there's no big Hinrich conspiracy on this board. We all want him to play well because it will make the team better. But the fact is he's not playing well & other than 1 good season, he's been incredibly average over the coarse of his current contract, that's what pisses me off the most.

And please stop saying Hinrich can shoot. The guy is a career 41% shooter. He can't shoot well at all.

Well no shit you want him to play better, what kind of fan would you be if you didn't? I don't think there is a Hinrich conspiracy, I think that this is the near drone equivalent for Kirk Hinrich.

And do you want to know why I think Kirk Hinrich has the ability to shoot? In the 04-05 playoffs, Kirk shot 45% from the field and 51% from 3 averaging 21 ppg. Too small a sample size? How about 06-07 when he shot 45% from the field and 42% from 3 for 16.6 points. It's a shame that that was his career year and that he hasn't played that well after he got the contract following that year. Yes, I know career 41% shooting is not that good, but last time I checked 38% from 3 is at least above average. Even though he isn't much of a Derrick Rose take it to the hole kind of player, he shoots the 3 fairly well, or so his career stats say. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a lowly high schooler.

I find it funny that you didn't provide his stats for the 06-07 playoffs, when we actually had a large sample size of 10 games. He was a complete joke for the majority of games we played against the Heat and Pistons. In that Heat series, the only playoff series we won since Jordan retired, he was beyond awful. Gordon played the point in Game 1, and we never missed a beat.

 

[Fred]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Kirk Hinrich CAN shoot well...he's just not. Which of course makes everyone slam him out of 1) anger that he's playing like shit, which is logical 2) anger that he got paid more than you wanted him too, but you forget that at the time the contract was deserved and management could not have predicted his current suckitude or Derrick Rose getting drafted 3) people here like BG more than Hinrich, don't you dare say otherwise because as a whole, this is true, and BG was treated like crap while Hinrich got a contract that was better than the one offered to Ben, thus Kirk Hinrich gets the hate, rather than management since it's THEIR fault BG wasn't signed.

Okay, let the Hinrich smashing continue, sorry for the interruption.

Of course, it doesn't really matter what is said here. This is an extremely small group of intelligent Bulls fans. The vast majority of drones who inhabit the United Center love Kirk a lot more than Ben. Reinsdorf only cares about economic ramifications (angering the fanbase), and he knew he could get away with pulling the Gordon contract off the table. He was 100% right, because there were far more Kirk lovers than BG fans. If Kirk has left in a similar fashion, you would never have heard booing upon his return.

There's no longer an argument here. Kirk Hinrich isn't in the same class as Ben Gordon, and it will be proven in his next contract when he gets half of what Ben currently makes. It's been proven over the past 4 years. It's alarming that Reinsdorf and Forman couldn't figure it out.

 

[??? ??????]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

They should have just let John Paxson do his job like we were in a big market. Then we would probably have Ben Gordon still, and probably Pau Gasol too.

 

[Shakes]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

Diddy1122 wrote:

And please stop saying Hinrich can shoot. The guy is a career 41% shooter. He can't shoot well at all.

The reason Kirk has a 41% career FG% isn't because of his shooting. He's an above average shooter, he's a terrible layup-er (probably not a word, but you get my point).

 

[Diddy1122]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

Shakes wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

And please stop saying Hinrich can shoot. The guy is a career 41% shooter. He can't shoot well at all.

The reason Kirk has a 41% career FG% isn't because of his shooting. He's an above average shooter, he's a terrible layup-er (probably not a word, but you get my point).

Oh, so that explains why he's missing wide open 15-20 footers out there. He's been pushing the shot stick in the wrong direction.

 

[Shakes]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

I didn't say he's shooting well right now. He's barely shooting better than Lindsey Hunter at the moment. Over his career he's been an above average shooter though. It doesn't translate into a good FG% because he shoots a fairly high percentage of threes, and he's a terrible finisher in close.

What I mean to say is if you want to rip on Kirk's career, pick on the fact he's an inadequate slasher, not that he's an inadequate shooter.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Re:KC: Bulls May Have Pulled Offer From BG B4 Dead

Fred wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Kirk Hinrich CAN shoot well...he's just not. Which of course makes everyone slam him out of 1) anger that he's playing like shit, which is logical 2) anger that he got paid more than you wanted him too, but you forget that at the time the contract was deserved and management could not have predicted his current suckitude or Derrick Rose getting drafted 3) people here like BG more than Hinrich, don't you dare say otherwise because as a whole, this is true, and BG was treated like crap while Hinrich got a contract that was better than the one offered to Ben, thus Kirk Hinrich gets the hate, rather than management since it's THEIR fault BG wasn't signed.

Okay, let the Hinrich smashing continue, sorry for the interruption.

Of course, it doesn't really matter what is said here. This is an extremely small group of intelligent Bulls fans. The vast majority of drones who inhabit the United Center love Kirk a lot more than Ben. Reinsdorf only cares about economic ramifications (angering the fanbase), and he knew he could get away with pulling the Gordon contract off the table. He was 100% right, because there were far more Kirk lovers than BG fans. If Kirk has left in a similar fashion, you would never have heard booing upon his return.

There's no longer an argument here. Kirk Hinrich isn't in the same class as Ben Gordon, and it will be proven in his next contract when he gets half of what Ben currently makes. It's been proven over the past 4 years. It's alarming that Reinsdorf and Forman couldn't figure it out.

Damn it I give up. Fine, Kirk Hinrih is the worst Bull ever to receive a large-ish contract. ARE YOU FREAKING HAPPY NOW?