KC Johnson: Bulls looking to add shooter

[Axl Rose]

What about Hoiberg makes you think he'll be a good NBA coach?

he is a good offensive mind...big on spacing/ball movement...runs offense like i dream of

i can't say for sure on how he would adjust to the pros but im confident his offense will translate

This article alone should tell you Hoiberg is not coming here.

i think Chicago would be his top spot if he decided to leave

i mean what white guy from Iowa doesn't want to be part of the Bulls? lol...plus he is Gar Forman's guy

but if hes not coming then im fine with Thibs...but i would like to see him change/adjust some

i have nothing against him but i am kind of tired of the same 1 & 2 with him is all

 

[Bear Pride]

times are changing...i already showed how the whole league is trending toward less minutes

i remember when thibs played Jimmy Butler 48 minutes IN A PRESEASON GAME...lol thats ridiculous

him playing Gasol for 12 minutes straight in the a quarter is also ridiculous...his minute management sucks

YES, this is what I've been trying to say. It's not the minutes total, it's the minutes management. Nicely said. Thib's will play the same lineup for an entire 3rd quarter that's not working. This burns out players. Most coaches take their main players out a couple minutes prior to a quarter end, thus giving them a little extra time between quarters, etc.

Thib's will run the same lineup until the end of the quarter. He plays certain players for long stretches at a time, which can burn out a player as much as a lot of minutes. It's all about the player rotations and substitutions. This is what Thib's sucks at. It's not the minute totals.

 

[JimJohnson]

It's a shame Bulls didn't keep Korver.

 

[Diddy1122]

I think you are old school, and surely Thibs is old school as well. Just take a look at this link:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/mp_season.html

I'd like to say Thibs' minutes is a deviation from the new norm, but it's really not. Luol Deng from 2010-11 is the only player on a Thibs' coached Bulls team who has cracked the top 250. Then there is this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/mp_top_10.html

Currently Jimmy Butler is 4th in minutes played this year, but the Bulls only since Thibs' first year did he have a player in the top ten of minutes played, of course that season both Deng and Rose topped that list. If you look at that second link, you'll see that Damien Lillard has been in the top ten of minutes the last two seasons, plus this current one. I can't speak to his playoff performances, but are any Blazers fan worried about him breaking down?

The more and more I look at it, the more and more I think the minutes issue is overblown.

It's completely overblown. The main reason that people mention it is because of what Pop has done with the Spurs. Everyone just assumes that "Oh all coaches should follow Pop's lead and rest players". The problem with that is three fold. 1) There's only one Greg Popovich; 2) There's only one San Antonio Spurs; & 3) Pop is not "managing minutes" like everyone perceives.

Pop is one of the best motivators in the game. There simply is no one better. This is why the benches of San Antonio have always been strong going on nearly 20 years now. That recently has given them the luxury of resting older players with no drop off in effort from the team. However, despite this fact, Pop is not really much of a minute manager. Until Duncan started having injury problems in his 7th season which limited him significantly, he never had a season under 38 mpg under Pop. In fact, the ONLY player on the team that has drastically reduced his minutes over the years, as well as sat out games, is Tim Duncan. This illusion that Pop is resting players or managing minutes all the time is just that, an illusion. Both Manu & Parker's minutes have stayed relative to their career averages every season.

But people tend to gloss over the fact that Duncan, Parker, & Manu have missed big chunks of time due to injury over the past 5 seasons. Is that due to Pop "overusing" them? Was he "wearing down" Parker into all of those ankle injuries? The bottom line is that stars play major minutes. Period. If you are a star player, you are playing atl least 36 mpg on a regular basis. That hasn't changed at all even if fans think it has.

 

[Axl Rose]

theres no illusions...the league is cutting down on players minutes

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/minutes/sort/avgMinutes

if you go back there was 20+ players getting 38-40+ a game

this year theres one player getting over 38 minutes and im sure you know who

this year outside of Jimmy, Gasol and Hinrich (because he sucks) i don't think Thibs has overused anybody else

so if he could give Jimmy more rest and stop playing Gasol for 12 minutes straight things would be better

 

[Diddy1122]

times are changing...i already showed how the whole league is trending toward less minutes

i remember when thibs played Jimmy Butler 48 minutes IN A PRESEASON GAME...lol thats ridiculous

him playing Gasol for 12 minutes straight in the a quarter is also ridiculous...his minute management sucks

Of course the league is trending to less minutes for individual players over the past 3 seasons because you have an EXTRA player on the active roster you didn't have before 2012. However, key starters are STILL playing over 36 mpg & it is not "wearing them down" so to speak.

Gasol can play 12 minutes straight in a quarter without falling apart. He's done it for the majority of his career. This year he's averaging career highs in rebounds, blocks, and double doubles (1 game away from tying MJ's 20 straight). I think it's safe to say he's doing just fine playing the entire 1st quarter of games. He's also averaging his 3rd lowest mpg totals in the past 10 seasons.

I think your problem is less with minute management but more to do with his rotations, which I have had issues with at times as well.

 

[Axl Rose]

Of course the league is trending to less minutes for individual players over the past 3 seasons because you have an EXTRA player on the active roster you didn't have before 2012. However, key starters are STILL playing over 36 mpg & it is not "wearing them down" so to speak.

Gasol can play 12 minutes straight in a quarter without falling apart. He's done it for the majority of his career. This year he's averaging career highs in rebounds, blocks, and double doubles (1 game away from tying MJ's 20 straight). I think it's safe to say he's doing just fine playing the entire 1st quarter of games. He's also averaging his 3rd lowest mpg totals in the past 10 seasons.

I think your problem is less with minute management but more to do with his rotations, which I have had issues with at times as well.

36 minutes isn't too bad (but my ideal is 34-35)

rotations is a different story but yes i have a problem with those aswell

Gasol is 34 now and its not all about the possibility of him falling apart (although he hasn't been mr. healthy these last few years) its about wearing him out and him being gassed in the playoffs aswell

now that Noah is getting back right hopefully Gasol isn't rode as hard

i mean we got like 30m in the frontcourt....its supposed to be a strength....nobody should be overused

 

[BNB]

35 MPG and 38 MPG isn't much of a different imo. If the player played all 82 games, that would be ~4 more hours total of game time throughout the season. Or to put it another way, ~4 more hours spread over close to 6 months. That isn't really a lot at all.

I think it would be more important to know how hard Thibs works his players in practice.

 

[Axl Rose]

35 MPG and 38 MPG isn't much of a different imo. If the player played all 82 games, that would be ~4 more hours total of game time throughout the season. Or to put it another way, ~4 more hours spread over close to 6 months. That isn't really a lot at all.

I think it would be more important to know how hard Thibs works his players in practice.

it may not seem like much but 3-4 minutes extra rest a game could do good

its not only how many total minutes either....its the allocation

he will ride players for long periods which is taxing on the body even for a well conditioned athletes

he could also cut back minutes on back to backs and take him out of the game when its a blow out

but good point about practice tho which is another element....Rip/CJ have said he has hard practices

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I can't wait for Friday.

 

[Axl Rose]

buyout with Sanders is done

but the good news Woj says he has no plans to play this season

so i guess that rumor about him not wanting to play anymore is true

he accepted 13 million out of 40m that was owed....he mustve really wanted out

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possibly more good news: Wolves might buyout Kevin Martin

if we could scoop him up for the min that would be huge

 

[Bear Pride]

buyout with sanders is done

but the good news Woj says he has no plans to play this season

so i guess that rumor about him not wanting to play anymore is true

he accepted 13 million out of 40m that was owed....he mustve really wanted out

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more good news: Wolves might buyout Kevin Martin

if we could scoop him up for the min that would be huge

Heck, $13 mil will buy a good amount of medical weed. :dunno:

 

[clonetrooper264]

possibly more good news: Wolves might buyout Kevin Martin

if we could scoop him up for the min that would be huge

This would fulfill the GarPax requirement of giving up nothing for a shooter.

 

[Axl Rose]

This would fulfill the GarPax requirement of giving up nothing for a shooter.

it probably wont happen because we arent that lucky

only LeBron wins in this league lol

 

[clonetrooper264]

it probably wont happen because we arent that lucky

only LeBron wins in this league lol

Probably

 

[Scoot26]

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possibly more good news: Wolves might buyout Kevin Martin

if we could scoop him up for the min that would be huge

 

[Bear Pride]

possibly more good news: Wolves might buyout Kevin Martin

if we could scoop him up for the min that would be huge

This would be a major move by the Bulls. it would definitely fill the bill!!! :yep:

 

[Bear Pride]

Way to shit storm on my parade.

 

[Crystallas]

Wait, is it a buyout or a trade? Because if there is a buyout in the works, Kevin Martin is still on the table for the Bulls.

 

[Bear Pride]

Wait, is it a buyout or a trade? Because if there is a buyout in the works, Kevin Martin is still on the table for the Bulls.

That's what I'm saying, this is every Bulls fan wet dream right now....... it's too good to be true if it's a buyout.