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Still like the deal.
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Still not being a dumbass by disliking it.
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I'm done with the jokes now. It was fun while it lasted
Your opinion is different from mine
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I think Garza improves the team by 3 wins....4 at the absolute max...but I think that's more wins than any of those prospects would improve the team over a 3 year span.
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I'm still big on the Garza trade
Silva is the odd man out. He had an average ERA of 5.86 over the last 4 years, Garza has an ERA of 3.82 in the same time frame. The Cubs were 22-32 in one run games last season.
it's easy to say and probably true that it doesn't make the difference between the Cubs making it to the World Series and not making it to the World Series. And this just may be my optimistic view on things but we're already a better team thanks to the other changes such as the bullpen, Pena's power, Zamrbrano's strong finish, and the team's improved finish under Quade. Now we're gonna win a few more of those one run games as well.
So take all of that, include the extra wins from Garza, and that could be the difference between being a playoff team or being on the outside looking in. And anything can happen once you're in.
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Silva is the odd man out. He had an average ERA of 5.86 over the last 4 years, Garza has an ERA of 3.82 in the same time frame. The Cubs were 22-32 in one run games last season.
it's easy to say and probably true that it doesn't make the difference between the Cubs making it to the World Series and not making it to the World Series. And this just may be my optimistic view on things but we're already a better team thanks to the other changes such as the bullpen, Pena's power, Zamrbrano's strong finish, and the team's improved finish under Quade. Now we're gonna win a few more of those one run games as well.
So take all of that, include the extra wins from Garza, and that could be the difference between being a playoff team or being on the outside looking in. And anything can happen once you're in.
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Difference between 3rd and 5th maybe, still likely not a playoff team.
I like the changes, but Wood is my favorite move. I just don't like how much they gave up to get him.
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Sure the cubs made moves to please the idiot avg fans, I agree with that.
i will take 3 > off of my post for ya.
stop basing everything off of FIP.
Anyone who thinks silva and garza are comprable are just plain insane.
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What is better than FIP then?
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A combination of stats, not just 1.
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I agree, but to just look at it from the surface, FIP is the best.
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Personally, I tend to look at K/9 and K/BB a lot. Tells me if they can get out of jams. Only as a side-stat though, not as a main-focus stat. But then again, some pitchers aren't strikeout pitchers, so it doesn't matter much in all cases.
xFIP is okay too, but it is pretty much FIP anyway.
Ground Balls/Fly Balls, etc.
I look at everything I can find I guess.
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I agree with this statement.
I do not agree with this.
A bottom 3 of Garza, Wells and Cashner is much better then Wells, Silva and Cashner.
But the difference doesn't make up for the amount the Cubs paid for Garza. If it was Greinke, and the Cubs got their legit #1 I would be fine with it. But getting a #2-3 for that price has never made sense to me.
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Couldn't agree more.
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right because it is best to look at players from surface stats.
Okay, look more in depth. It'll show you the same stuff.
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SIERA, tERA, and tRA are all better than FIP.
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Wow, those look like some pretty good stats when used together.
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I know lol. I wanted Dewey to answer that, since he never answers those question.
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Then why don't you ever use those instead of just FIP?