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True, if Ben doesn't want the job then I'll sit on the Pistons bench and pretend I'm happy for Rip Hamilton for half the money. 
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The guy eat, sleeps, & breathes basketball. Having an injury for the first time in his career is YES, unfortunate. Doesn't matter if he's making $12mill or $12,000, he wants to play & play at a top level. He's always been that way. I just don't get why someone would be happy about a player injury & his drop in production because of it. I think it's stupid. I hate KG & the Celtics, but I wasn't doing cartwheels when KG got a knee injury last year because it's always an unfortunate situation when an athlete can't compete in the sport they truly love.
The guy eat, sleeps, & breathes basketball. Having an injury for the first time in his career is YES, unfortunate. Doesn't matter if he's making $12mill or $12,000, he wants to play & play at a top level. He's always been that way. I just don't get why someone would be happy about a player injury & his drop in production because of it. I think it's stupid. I hate KG & the Celtics, but I wasn't doing cartwheels when KG got a knee injury last year because it's always an unfortunate situation when an athlete can't compete in the sport they truly love.
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I don't give a fat baby's d--- if he actually eats a damn basketball every day! His drop in production has nothing to do with his injury, his drop in production is because he is playing behind a better player, which is what I was telling people in preseason. Hamilton is playing good basketball right now and Gordon can't get off the bench, and most of the time when he does, he sucks...point blank. If you want to feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for Pistons fans who watch Dumars trade away an allstar player for Charlie V and St. Ben of UConn, who combined aren't worth what Billups is worth...
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houheffna wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Billups stayed on the Pistons they'd still be nowhere. They lost in the ECF with him for 3 straight years. The trade for Iverson was to shake things up and it needed to be done because that Pistons core was finished as far as winning championships.
Gordon was a good signing, Charlie V isn't because Charlie V has done nothing in his career to justify making that kind of money. Gordon has been productive on winning Bulls teams.
He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.
And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.
In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.
It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Billups stayed on the Pistons they'd still be nowhere. They lost in the ECF with him for 3 straight years. The trade for Iverson was to shake things up and it needed to be done because that Pistons core was finished as far as winning championships.
Gordon was a good signing, Charlie V isn't because Charlie V has done nothing in his career to justify making that kind of money. Gordon has been productive on winning Bulls teams.
He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.
And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.
In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.
It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.
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Thank You. Jump shooters like Ben rely on their legs, ALL of their legs, to be an effective shooter. And the way that Ben shoots, which is nearly a full jump while shooting, having an ankle injury heavily effects his shot. I don't even know how Hou can say injury has nothing to do with his production. That's just ridiculously naive.
And Hou is profanity & emphatic delivery really necessary to make your point? I know you don't give "a fat baby's d-" about Ben but you don't have to use that EVERY time when making a point about anything. I gives me the impression your screaming at me through your computer like an internet gangsta. :laugh:
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Thank You. Jump shooters like Ben rely on their legs, ALL of their legs, to be an effective shooter. And the way that Ben shoots, which is nearly a full jump while shooting, having an ankle injury heavily effects his shot. I don't even know how Hou can say injury has nothing to do with his production. That's just ridiculously naive.
And Hou is profanity & emphatic delivery really necessary to make your point? I know you don't give "a fat baby's d-" about Ben but you don't have to use that EVERY time when making a point about anything. I gives me the impression your screaming at me through your computer like an internet gangsta. :laugh:
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Diddy1122 wrote:
He means diaper right? Or am I missing something?
Diddy1122 wrote:
He means diaper right? Or am I missing something?
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Re:Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CH
Common, it wouldn't be a normal day without Hou taking a crap on BG (Hows that for a diaper refernce?)in a kirk hinrich thread. Of course you don't shoot with your legs, you don't jump, run or walk with them either. St Ben gravitates on water, he has just robbed the undeserving pistons organization.
Common, it wouldn't be a normal day without Hou taking a crap on BG (Hows that for a diaper refernce?)in a kirk hinrich thread. Of course you don't shoot with your legs, you don't jump, run or walk with them either. St Ben gravitates on water, he has just robbed the undeserving pistons organization.
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Signing Gordon for 12 million was not good signing. Now if you got Gordon for 10 million then thats good signing, but in no way should you be paying Gordon near max money when he's number 3 option. He's one dimensional, which he is damn well good at, but that was bad move. As for the Pistons having to trade Billups I disagree. Who would you rather have Billups at 25 million or Ben+Charlie for 105 million. I rather have Billups
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Signing Gordon for 12 million was not good signing. Now if you got Gordon for 10 million then thats good signing, but in no way should you be paying Gordon near max money when he's number 3 option. He's one dimensional, which he is damn well good at, but that was bad move. As for the Pistons having to trade Billups I disagree. Who would you rather have Billups at 25 million or Ben+Charlie for 105 million. I rather have Billups
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Re:Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CH
Ok lets get one thing straight. The Bulls werent going anywhere with Ben Gordan and either are the pistons. Billups is better then Stuckey and like you said Kush they werent going anywhere with Billups, but now they have over paid for Gordon and now are in the worst spot in basketball, that is not on your way up but not bad enough to get high draft picks.
The bulls were not going anywhere with our team so we needed to retool around Rose Deng and Noah, the bulls are doing fine without gordon, mainly because of the emergence of Joakim and Rose. In order to make cap room in 2010 which remains probably are only chance of a title team we had to get rid of either Hinrich and Gordon. And yes Gordon is the better player, but he also was the one that was easier to dispose of because Hinrich is almost impossible to trade.
Im tired of this conversation, the bulls went with Hinrich now get the hell over it and support the guy and stop weeping over the loss of Ben Gordon. My congrats go out to Hinrich,
and if Hinrich wasnt overpaid I would love to have him on our team.
Hinrich is not a bad player, and although he has always shot a low percentage, thats not as big as a deal as people make it because that is not why hes in the league. If he was a score first guy that would be a problem but he is on our team for playmaking and defence. I dont hear complaints about Brad Miller for not Blocking shots as a center. Hinrich is doing exactly what the bulls are asking him to do by playing good defence, distributing the ball, and hitting the three on occassion.
Ok lets get one thing straight. The Bulls werent going anywhere with Ben Gordan and either are the pistons. Billups is better then Stuckey and like you said Kush they werent going anywhere with Billups, but now they have over paid for Gordon and now are in the worst spot in basketball, that is not on your way up but not bad enough to get high draft picks.
The bulls were not going anywhere with our team so we needed to retool around Rose Deng and Noah, the bulls are doing fine without gordon, mainly because of the emergence of Joakim and Rose. In order to make cap room in 2010 which remains probably are only chance of a title team we had to get rid of either Hinrich and Gordon. And yes Gordon is the better player, but he also was the one that was easier to dispose of because Hinrich is almost impossible to trade.
Im tired of this conversation, the bulls went with Hinrich now get the hell over it and support the guy and stop weeping over the loss of Ben Gordon. My congrats go out to Hinrich,
and if Hinrich wasnt overpaid I would love to have him on our team.
Hinrich is not a bad player, and although he has always shot a low percentage, thats not as big as a deal as people make it because that is not why hes in the league. If he was a score first guy that would be a problem but he is on our team for playmaking and defence. I dont hear complaints about Brad Miller for not Blocking shots as a center. Hinrich is doing exactly what the bulls are asking him to do by playing good defence, distributing the ball, and hitting the three on occassion.
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Re:Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CH
The Gordon signing was NOT a good signing, no matter how you look at it...Dumars could have save that money for the FA class coming up...who knows what could have happened. Instead of Gordon and Charlie V, I would rather go for Rudy *** and David Lee (both better players than Gordon and Charlie V. But no way signing a guy to a big contract like that and having him on the bench is justified.
The Gordon signing was NOT a good signing, no matter how you look at it...Dumars could have save that money for the FA class coming up...who knows what could have happened. Instead of Gordon and Charlie V, I would rather go for Rudy *** and David Lee (both better players than Gordon and Charlie V. But no way signing a guy to a big contract like that and having him on the bench is justified.
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So many FA's lining up to go to scenic and beautiful detroit. I mean only Memphis can compare in its attractiveness. Who wouldn't want to live in a near bankrupt state with horrible weather and the highest unemployment in the country. I mean where else can you go buy a house for pocket change?
So many FA's lining up to go to scenic and beautiful detroit. I mean only Memphis can compare in its attractiveness. Who wouldn't want to live in a near bankrupt state with horrible weather and the highest unemployment in the country. I mean where else can you go buy a house for pocket change?
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Ben Gordon got what he's worth. Ben Gordon is getting 58 mil over 5 years, an average of 11.6 million. Monta Ellis, a similar player, gets 11 million a year from Golden State. Ben Gordon got what he's worth.
I suppose if the question is - was he worth 58 million to the Pistons, then I would agree with you that he isn't considering they already had Hamilton and Stuckey.
But let's stop lumping him in with Charlie V. Charlie V has done nothing in his career to warrant the contract he got. Has CV ever even played in a playoff game in his career? Has he ever been the #1 option on a team?
Who would I rather have, Chauncey at 25 or BG/CV at 105? Well that wasn't the option Joe Dumars had. It wasn't give up Chauncey to get BG/CV. It was trade Chauncey to shake up a team that lost in the ECF 3 straight years. Then you could say Dumars misspent the cap space. I personally thought Dumars should have sat on the cap space this year then Detroit could have been a player in 2010 free agency. But I guess that money burnt a hole in Dumars' pocket.
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Ben Gordon got what he's worth. Ben Gordon is getting 58 mil over 5 years, an average of 11.6 million. Monta Ellis, a similar player, gets 11 million a year from Golden State. Ben Gordon got what he's worth.
I suppose if the question is - was he worth 58 million to the Pistons, then I would agree with you that he isn't considering they already had Hamilton and Stuckey.
But let's stop lumping him in with Charlie V. Charlie V has done nothing in his career to warrant the contract he got. Has CV ever even played in a playoff game in his career? Has he ever been the #1 option on a team?
Who would I rather have, Chauncey at 25 or BG/CV at 105? Well that wasn't the option Joe Dumars had. It wasn't give up Chauncey to get BG/CV. It was trade Chauncey to shake up a team that lost in the ECF 3 straight years. Then you could say Dumars misspent the cap space. I personally thought Dumars should have sat on the cap space this year then Detroit could have been a player in 2010 free agency. But I guess that money burnt a hole in Dumars' pocket.
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houheffna wrote:
I agree with what you said there Hou. I just wrote this in another post.
I think, for Detroit, it was not a good signing. Considering they had Hamilton and Stuckey.
Where we probably disagree is how much BG was paid. I think he got what he's worth. You might disagree.
Dumars could have sat on the cap space. I agree 100%. Take your chances in 2010.
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I agree with what you said there Hou. I just wrote this in another post.
I think, for Detroit, it was not a good signing. Considering they had Hamilton and Stuckey.
Where we probably disagree is how much BG was paid. I think he got what he's worth. You might disagree.
Dumars could have sat on the cap space. I agree 100%. Take your chances in 2010.
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Re:Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CH
I don't use that everytime, and I never said I didn't give a fat baby's d--- about Ben Gordon...not that I remember...I really don't but I never said it. I don't curse all the time on my posts, and I definitely don't call people out of their names...
I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO TYPE LIKE THIS TO SYMBOLIZE SCREAMING...I don't do that...his "eating and sleeping basketball" is what I don't want to hear about...because he eats it and sleeps it, don't mean he hasn't sucked at it this season...but I apologize if the statement offends you.
I don't crap on BG daily, once or twice a week is suffice, since I got crapped on so bad by people when I offered to pack his bags so that he can get the heck out of town fast. While he was here, I said he wasn't top 10 at his position...I am sticking to that. Of course Ben gravitates, its in the book of St. Ben....
"And Ben walketh on water at will, he shooteth flawlessly at the basket, never missing, always working to perfect his game. And then Ben attaineth flawless basketball skills unlike any other shooting guard in history...and Ben saith 'Fucketh Kobe and Jordan, and fucketh defense, for I am flawless'"
Amen...
I don't use that everytime, and I never said I didn't give a fat baby's d--- about Ben Gordon...not that I remember...I really don't but I never said it. I don't curse all the time on my posts, and I definitely don't call people out of their names...
I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO TYPE LIKE THIS TO SYMBOLIZE SCREAMING...I don't do that...his "eating and sleeping basketball" is what I don't want to hear about...because he eats it and sleeps it, don't mean he hasn't sucked at it this season...but I apologize if the statement offends you.
I don't crap on BG daily, once or twice a week is suffice, since I got crapped on so bad by people when I offered to pack his bags so that he can get the heck out of town fast. While he was here, I said he wasn't top 10 at his position...I am sticking to that. Of course Ben gravitates, its in the book of St. Ben....
"And Ben walketh on water at will, he shooteth flawlessly at the basket, never missing, always working to perfect his game. And then Ben attaineth flawless basketball skills unlike any other shooting guard in history...and Ben saith 'Fucketh Kobe and Jordan, and fucketh defense, for I am flawless'"
Amen...
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Re:Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CH
I don't care how unattractive Detroit is, when your two free agent signings you collectively spent 100 million on are playing less minutes than a second round draft pick and a guy you signed for the minimum, they're not good signings.
By the way, can we start calling Jerebko the "Duhon of Detroit"? How is that guy getting so many minutes?
I don't care how unattractive Detroit is, when your two free agent signings you collectively spent 100 million on are playing less minutes than a second round draft pick and a guy you signed for the minimum, they're not good signings.
By the way, can we start calling Jerebko the "Duhon of Detroit"? How is that guy getting so many minutes?
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Shakes, I think it didn't quite go by play for them. CV needs to get his head on straight and Rip needs to be traded for a big.
Shakes, I think it didn't quite go by play for them. CV needs to get his head on straight and Rip needs to be traded for a big.
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I'm sure the plan wasn't to suck. I'm just saying that if we have the sort of off-season results Detroit has had, then people (rightly) would be calling for heads to roll.
I'm sure the plan wasn't to suck. I'm just saying that if we have the sort of off-season results Detroit has had, then people (rightly) would be calling for heads to roll.
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Re:Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CH
I don't think that is the reason Gordon is not starting...
I don't think that is the reason Gordon is not starting...
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Re:Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CH
Gordon's not starting because benching Rip would be a horrible strategic move. Not only would it blow any faint hope they have of building his trade value back up, it'd likely piss off both him and the fans.
Gordon's not starting because benching Rip would be a horrible strategic move. Not only would it blow any faint hope they have of building his trade value back up, it'd likely piss off both him and the fans.
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Who else would start at SG if Rip were traded for a big?
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Who else would start at SG if Rip were traded for a big?
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