Knicks

[houheffna]

I wasn't thinking about J.R. Smith when I talked about the Knicks prospects for the future. Smith is really not that important in the grand scheme of things. Maybe he works out, maybe not. We will see.

 

[Glide2keva]

Glad he isn't coming to the Bulls.

 

[Cloud 9]

Lin can't even dribble to his left, he's goes off the right every goddamn time! That's not hard to stop. Rose doesn't have his work cut out for him in Lin, he has a field day planned. Think about the matchups we'd have in a playoff series, the Knicks would be shitting their pants.

Rose vs Lin:
MVP vs 15 minutes of fame. Not even close.

Rip vs JR:
Have fun running off screens all night JR. I know you love the defensive effort.

Deng vs Fields:
Landry actually doesn't completely suck, he wouldn't get shutdown, as he does the little things and helps in more ways then just putting the ball in the hoop. But we all know Deng gets the best of him. This would potentially be a key matchup for the Knicks, disrupting Deng is going to be key if they stand any chance. Still, large advantage Bulls.

Boozer vs Amare:
Amare takes this one. He's still much more explosive then Boozer, and more times then not gives defensive effort. These 2 are likely to off-set eachother, but I see Amare matching up a little better here. But then again, he could be hobbled come playoff time after this condensed season and his medical history.

Chandler vs Jo:
This would be fun to watch. I see a slight advantage for Noah here. I like his energy, and I feel like he's more reliable offensively then Chandler, because Jo has a bigger arsenal to come at you with. He can knock down the J, score from the low-post, run the floor in transition, and connect from the charity stripe at 77%. You know where Chandler's going to hurt you, in the paint. Most of his points come off dunks/putbacks and the free throw line. Both are excellent defensive players. I'd definitely be comfortable giving Chandler the edge in that department. But overall I see Jo winning this matchup.

Bulls Bench vs Knicks Bench:
Nothing even needs to be said. The bench mob will absolutely steam roll those scrubs.

I'm not worried about the Knicks. As long as we're healthy we can take any team in the league on any given night.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Lol...what? Amare is explosive, and plays at an all star level. He struggled with Carmelo but that should be resolved with playing time. And the Knicks ARE competitive, and should be with 2 legit allstar forwards playing with Lin, who I think is the real deal.

If they co-exist well enough, the Knicks might have the best frountcourt in the league. Right there with OKC and Memphis.

He has flashes of it but he isn't nearly what he used to be when he first came in the league. He is settling for a lot of long jumpers. I'm sure Jeremy Lin in a pick-and-roll with him is going to help him get more easy shots but I find it hard to believe that Anthony and Smith aren't going to steal the ball from them both.

Before you call Lin the real deal, perhaps you should wait until he plays against a defense that is actual good. He hasn't yet and he averages nearly as many turnovers as assists.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Bulls are flat out better than the Knicks at:

starting C, back-up C
back-up PF
back-up SF
starting SG (healthy)
starting PG, back-up PG, back-up to the back-up PG

and coaching.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Bulls are flat out better than the Knicks at:

starting C, back-up C
back-up PF
back-up SF
starting SG (healthy)
starting PG, back-up PG, back-up to the back-up PG

and coaching.

Idk...Toney Douglass is probably better than JL3. xD

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Idk...Toney Douglass is probably better than JL3. xD

Not as a PG. As a SG- yes.

 

[HeavyD]

Bulls are flat out better than the Knicks at:

starting C, back-up C
back-up PF
back-up SF
starting SG (healthy)
starting PG, back-up PG, back-up to the back-up PG

and coaching.

Starting Center your fucking crazy, PF and SF your fucking crazy!

Ill give ya the other 2 obviously.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Lin can't even dribble to his left, he's goes off the right every goddamn time! That's not hard to stop. Rose doesn't have his work cut out for him in Lin, he has a field day planned. Think about the matchups we'd have in a playoff series, the Knicks would be shitting their pants.

Rose vs Lin:
MVP vs 15 minutes of fame. Not even close.

Rip vs JR:
Have fun running off screens all night JR. I know you love the defensive effort.

Deng vs Fields:
Landry actually doesn't completely suck, he wouldn't get shutdown, as he does the little things and helps in more ways then just putting the ball in the hoop. But we all know Deng gets the best of him. This would potentially be a key matchup for the Knicks, disrupting Deng is going to be key if they stand any chance. Still, large advantage Bulls.

Boozer vs Amare:
Amare takes this one. He's still much more explosive then Boozer, and more times then not gives defensive effort. These 2 are likely to off-set eachother, but I see Amare matching up a little better here. But then again, he could be hobbled come playoff time after this condensed season and his medical history.

Chandler vs Jo:
This would be fun to watch. I see a slight advantage for Noah here. I like his energy, and I feel like he's more reliable offensively then Chandler, because Jo has a bigger arsenal to come at you with. He can knock down the J, score from the low-post, run the floor in transition, and connect from the charity stripe at 77%. You know where Chandler's going to hurt you, in the paint. Most of his points come off dunks/putbacks and the free throw line. Both are excellent defensive players. I'd definitely be comfortable giving Chandler the edge in that department. But overall I see Jo winning this matchup.

Bulls Bench vs Knicks Bench:
Nothing even needs to be said. The bench mob will absolutely steam roll those scrubs.

I'm not worried about the Knicks. As long as we're healthy we can take any team in the league on any given night.

You do know Carmelo plays for them, too, right?

 

[FirstTimer]

Bulls are flat out better than the Knicks at:

starting C, back-up C
back-up PF
back-up SF
starting SG (healthy)
starting PG, back-up PG, back-up to the back-up PG

and coaching.

Disagree.

At this point I like Fields a hell of a lot and Rip is old and obviously has injury issues. I don't think you can take health out of the eqation, especially given the compact season.

I'd take Chandler over Noah 7 days a week.

The Knicks, if playing to potential can give the Bulls a world of issues.

Lin is in the perfect situation for a player of his skill set. System, surrounding cast, etc. Whoever brought up Rondo earlier I think has it right in that regard.

I still think the Bulls are the better team and deeper in the front court but if the Knicks do land JR Smith(I still wouldn't rule out the Clippers) the East just got REALLY interesting.

I'd take the Bulls in a 7 game series. Likely 4-2. But..man the East will be fun if the Knicks come together.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Starting Center your fucking crazy, PF and SF your fucking crazy!

Ill give ya the other 2 obviously.

Joakim Noah > Tyson Chandler, Taj Gibson > Jared Jeffries, Ronnie Brewer > Bill Walker/Steve Novak.

 

[FirstTimer]

Joakim Noah > Tyson Chandler, Taj Gibson > Jared Jeffries, Ronnie Brewer > Bill Walker/Steve Novak.

Although this one is likely closer than you think.

Brewer has been pretty uninspiring this year.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Disagree.

At this point I like Fields a hell of a lot and Rip is old and obviously has injury issues. I don't think you can take health out of the eqation, especially given the compact season.

Obviously, you can't overlook injuries and Rip is injury prone. Landry Fields is definitely no push-over. I fear him a lot more than I do J.R. Smith because he is a better team defender and rebounder to go along with some marginal offensive ability.

I'd take Chandler over Noah 7 days a week.

Chandler is probably somewhat more consistent than Noah and is somewhat more athletic. I think Noah gives you better offense (when he is not out-of-control), and gives you essentially all of the defense and rebounding as Chandler does.

The Knicks, if playing to potential can give the Bulls a world of issues.

Possible.

Lin is in the perfect situation for a player of his skill set. System, surrounding cast, etc. Whoever brought up Rondo earlier I think has it right in that regard.

Lin doesn't seem like anything special on the defensive end, and like someone else said before, I've never seen him successfully go to his left hand. He's not a very good three-point shooter either and the best defense he has seen so far is MIN. He needs to get his turnovers down. Rose is bound to clown him.

I still think the Bulls are the better team and deeper in the front court but if the Knicks do land JR Smith(I still wouldn't rule out the Clippers) the East just got REALLY interesting.

I'd take the Bulls in a 7 game series. Likely 4-2. But..man the East will be fun if the Knicks come together.

Pretty much no disagreement there.

 

[FirstTimer]

Chandler is probably somewhat more consistent than Noah and is somewhat more athletic.

Bingo.

Tough for me to not want to take the center with comparable stats yet the one who shoots about 10% better on average and I feel holds up better in the post on defense.

Noah has more range to his offensive game, but for as much limited range as Chandler has the production isn't really different and Chandler does it more efficiently.

And for the recrd I agree Rose will clown Lin, but he clowns everyone. I think Lin just runs that offense so well thateven with him getting clown suited on the defensive end he can facilitate the offensive end well enough to be respected because Rose isn't a shut down defender and we all know how D'Antoni's system is.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Bingo.

Tough for me to not want to take the center with comparable stats yet the one who shoots about 10% better on average and I feel holds up better in the post on defense.

Noah has more range to his offensive game, but for as much limited range as Chandler has the production isn't really different and Chandler does it more efficiently.

D'Antoni might be wise to start the majority of their half-court offensive possessions with Tyson Chandler in a pick-and-roll with Lin/Baron Davis which would give Lin/Davis multiple options/shooters (Anthony+Stoudemire on the base-line+Fields/Smith).

 

[FirstTimer]

D'Antoni might be wise to start the majority of their half-court offensive possessions with Tyson Chandler in a pick-and-roll with Lin/Baron Davis which would give Lin/Davis multiple options/shooters (Anthony+Stoudemire on the base-line+Fields/Smith).

This could be the biggest dark horse of them all in the East. If the Knicks get production and good play from Baron Davis. Shit. That team gets scary in a hurry.

 

[FirstTimer]

The Knicks waived Balkman to make way for Smith.

Not sure I like that.

I would have waived Bibby. I think Balkman is the type of defender that would have helped in the playoffs.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

NYK- D’Antoni
Lin, Davis, Douglas, Bibby
Fields, Smith, Walker, Shumpert, (Douglas)
Anthony, Novak, (Fields), (Walker), Harrellson
Stoudemire, Jeffries
Chandler, (Stoudemire), Jordan

I'm not going to lie. They look pretty scary. Zero front-courth depth but their defensive is 10th ranked this season so they are better than expected. Their offense has been disappointing but Smith will help and Landry Fields backing-up Melo at times will help. The Bulls look like they are going to need Rip Hamilton more than ever to give them an edge offensively and depth-wise.

 

[FirstTimer]

NYK- D’Antoni
Lin, Davis, Douglas, Bibby
Fields, Smith, Walker, Shumpert, (Douglas)
Anthony, Novak, (Fields), (Walker), Harrellson
Stoudemire, Jeffries
Chandler, (Stoudemire), Jordan

I'm not going to lie. They look pretty scary. Zero front-courth depth but their defensive is 10th ranked this season so they are better than expected. Their offense has been disappointing but Smith will help and Landry Fields backing-up Melo at times will help. The Bulls look like they are going to need Rip Hamilton more than ever to give them an edge offensively and depth-wise.

Yeah, especially IMO since Shumpert is so underrated as a defender at this point and with Lin and Smith in the fold Shumpert can be that swing guard and really excel in his wheelhouse.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I personally hope D'Antoni abuses Smith because I know Mike is in love with transition offense and three-point shooting. Smith has just become their best player at both essentially (Melo tends to slow down the pace). Maybe Fields' minutes (a guy who gives them rebounding and defense- something D'Antoni teams are weak at) will get cut severely by this.