Kyle Beach On Waivers

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Really wasn't being that snarky, I'd honestly like to know which of the many NHL teams where he would be pulling down a regular shift, third line spot.</p>
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Since he cleared waivers, I'm guessing zero.</p>
 

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A safe guess but RK is never wrong. Which is why I asked.
 

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Obviously he isn't good enough for anyone's 4th line if he wasn't picked off from waivers.
 

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What's Beachs cons?


Foot speed

Discipline

Overall speed

Acceleration



Pros?

Physical

Nose for the net.


I don't know how his in zone play is. Can he get the puck up to the forward breaking out? Does he maintain his coverage? Does he make smart passes or turn the puck over?


I've only seen him in spurts, but it seems that if Florida doesn't even want him, then he isn't an NHL caliber player yet. See how he responds in Rockford. Hell, Bickell was almost a waiver player a year ago.
 

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go through all 29 other teams and break down their fourth line.  then get back to me on talent vs talent.</p>


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I'll wait....</p>


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Obviously he wasn't taken so he can't be nearly as talented as the other 87 4th line players... Right?  All 87 have something he doesn't?</p>


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I don't know the reason but I still doubt he isn't more talented than some of those 87 players.</p>
 

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You didn't see much of the Ice Hogs last year apparently. They led the AHL in penalties and were short handed most of the season. It wasn't just Beach or is the +/- much indication of ANY player on that team. That's just how many penalties they took.</p></blockquote>

True. But that dog don't hunt. He was the biggest PIM earner. So that can't affect him +/- that much. Besides +/- is even strength.
 

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And there's your subliminal message from the Rockford expert above...</p>


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<div style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(245,245,245);">Kyle Beach â€�<span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="color:rgb(187,187,187);">@</span>KBeachy12</span>1m</div>
<p class="" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(245,245,245);">It's official! Couldn't be more excited to join <span style="color:rgb(193,102,143);">@</span>HV71 in <span style="color:rgb(193,102,143);">#</span>Sweden. It's an honor and a privilege. I will start working on my Swedish! <span style="color:rgb(193,102,143);">#</span>Tack</p>
 

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Obviously he isn't good enough for anyone's 4th line if he wasn't picked off from waivers.</p>
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I think he can be a 4th liner. Hell, if a guy like Bollig can be one (and somehow have a guaranteed spot((which is doubly ridiculous))) for a team like the Hawks, Beach sure as hell can for some teams in the league. That's not what I was disputing. It was the bad hockey thought that right now he can be a third liner for many NHL teams. That's borderline Ron Schueler Syndrome.</p>
 

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And there's your subliminal message from the Rockford expert above...

 
Kyle Beach â€�<span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="color:#bbbbbb;">@</span>KBeachy12</span>1m

It's official! Couldn't be more excited to join <span style="color:#c1668f;">@</span>HV71 in <span style="color:#c1668f;">#</span>Sweden. It's an honor and a privilege. I will start working on my Swedish! <span style="color:#c1668f;">#</span>Tack</p></blockquote>


lol, a guy with poor acceleration and speed playing on European ice?


Should of stayed in Rockford if he could.
 

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lol, a guy with poor acceleration and speed playing on European ice?


Should of stayed in Rockford if he could.</p>
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Oh I don't know.  It seemed to help Bickell....</p>
 

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Oh I don't know. It seemed to help Bickell....</p></blockquote>


Bickell wasn't as slow as Beach from what I recall.


Regardless, good luck to the kid.
 

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go through all 29 other teams and break down their fourth line.  then get back to me on talent vs talent.</p>


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I'll wait....</p>


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Obviously he wasn't taken so he can't be nearly as talented as the other 87 4th line players... Right?  All 87 have something he doesn't?</p>


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I don't know the reason but I still doubt he isn't more talented than some of those 87 players.</p>
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His contract would pay the NHL minimum. The only rationale I can come up with other than every NHL team having scouted him over the years (and they have) & coming away unimpressed is that his deal also pays him $110K to play in the sticks, which teams that don't <strike>make</strike> lose money like the Blackhawks can't afford.</p>


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In the meantime, Ryan Stanton got claimed by Vancouver. And his deal is one-way next season.</p>
 

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His contract would pay the NHL minimum. The only rationale I can come up with other than every NHL team having scouted him over the years (and they have) & coming away unimpressed is that his deal also pays him $110K to play in the sticks, which teams that don't <strike>make</strike> lose money like the Blackhawks can't afford.</p>


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In the meantime, Ryan Stanton got claimed by Vancouver. And his deal is one-way next season.</p>
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And the Blackhawks signed the Beach contract over the summer...... not like this was three seasons coming.</p>
 

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Kyle Beach interview; His absurd claim, intentions playing in Sweden and more
<div><span>Posted on</span> <span>October 8, 2013</span> <span>by</span> <span>Chris Block</span><span><span>|</span> 1 Comment</span></div>
<p style="text-align:justify;">By Chris Block</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Kyle Beach will make his Swedish Hockey League debut later today for the HV71 hockey club.  He will wear sweater number 8.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Beach was officially loaned to HV71 on September 29<sup>th</sup>.  He learned of the opportunity to play hockey this season in Sweden the day before in a meeting with Blackhawks officials after an IceHogs team meeting at the BMO Harris Bank Center in Rockford.  He flew to Sweden the next day.  At the time, HV71 general manager Fredrick Stillman indicated that Beach was being taken in on a three week “try-outâ€� agreement.  Although, Stillman was quoted as saying “the hope is it will work out well and he will remain throughout the year.â€�</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In the video interview above, Beach gave the indication that his journey to Sweden may not be a brief one.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“I’m coming over here with an open mind,â€� Beach told the reporter.   â€œI’m just here.  I want to help this team win and get into the playoffs.â€�</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The Swedish Hockey League franchise released winger Aaron Gagnon on Monday to clear a roster spot for Beach.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Beach joined the Swedish club on September 30th, but was unable to play in HV71’s games last Tuesday, Thursday or Saturday due to SHL roster restrictions.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Beach had been loaned to HV71 at a time when the club had lost multiple players to injury, but one of those injuries turned out to not be as serious as originally thought and thus Beach could not officially join the HV71 roster until Gagnon’s recent two-year contract with the team was terminated.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Gagnon, 27, played against Beach in the Western Hockey League in 2006-07 when Gagnon was a top scorer on the Seattle Thunderbirds and Beach was a standout 17 year old playing for the Everett Silvertips.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The HV71 club is off to an uncharacteristically poor start and there is speculation mounting overseas that head coach, and one-time Chicago Blackhawk, Ulf Dahlen will soon be under fire if his team doesn’t soon turn their early season misfortunes around.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">HV71 ranks dead-last in the SHL standings heading into today’s action.  So far they’ve won just 2 of the 9 games they’ve played.  Gagnon had posted 2 goals and an assist in those 9 contests.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“I don’t know a lot about the league,â€� Beach said in the interview, conducted on the day of his arrival.  “I know this team has a rich history, as far as winning.  That’s what I’m coming over to help do.  Hopefully we can kind of right the ship, I guess, as we’ve been off to a bit of a slow start here.â€�</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Beach will join former Chicago Wolves forwards Brett Sterling, Riley Holzapfel and Jason Krog on HV71.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Gagnon most recently spent two years in the Winnipeg Jets organization, scoring 3 goals in the 17 games he appeared in with the Jets over the past two seasons.  Gagnon was an 8<sup>th</sup> round pick of the Phoenix Coyotes in 2004 though he spent his first four professional seasons in the Dallas Stars organization before signing with the Jets.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If you watch the embedded interview atop this article, for the interviewer’s last question, he brings up the extensive file of Kyle Beach YouTube clips cataloging Kyle’s fights and various other shenanigans from his days in Canadian junior hockey as well as the AHL.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Beach chuckled, then responded.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“In North America, in juniors and the AHL – that’s the role I’ve been forced to play,� Beach proclaimed.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He continued.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“I’m not afraid to take care of that side, or stick up for a teammate or protect myself.  But obviously the game’s a lot different over here.  I think we’re going to try to focus more on the skill side.  And maybe not making that type of YouTube video, maybe make some other ones.â€�</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Now, Beach’s claim that he was ever “forced� to play the role of a goon, fighter or instigator is downright absurd.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">First off, from his first appearances in NHL exhibition games five years ago, it was evident Beach didn’t have the upper body strength to hang with more than a handful of the players even close to his size.   That continued on into his first two seasons in the AHL.  Beach seemed to acknowledge this himself as he very often opted only to goad, or answer the challenge of opponents of a lessor stature when he did choose to fight.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Beach’s second AHL season became drastically abbreviated when he had his shoulder dislocated during a fight in Peoria.  He was playing his best games as a pro to that point when he suffered the injury in late October of 2011.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">While there was always an organization-wide acknowledgement that dropping the gloves once in a while – because of the nature of an aggressive style and his size – was an aspect of Kyle’s game, he was never cast in the enforcer role.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Kyle Hagel, Wade Brookbank and Brandon Bollig have all held that role over the span of Kyle’s tenure with the IceHogs.  Beach’s expected role was to score goals and knock opponents over with clean body checks, not his fists or mouth.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">And that’s the overbearing issue to Beach’s claim that he was “forced� to be a tough guy, or whatever you’d call what Beach’s game would inevitably sidetrack into.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">What Beach has never seemed to reconcile within his own head is the simple fact that he was drafted at the 11<sup>th</sup> selection in the 2008 draft because his skills projected him out to be a potential 30-plus goal scorer – not a fighter or a guy who draws retaliatory penalties 100 feet from the puck.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Guys whose role it is to stir emotions or draw retaliatory penalties 100 feet from the puck are drafted in the fifth, sixth and seventh rounds – not 11<sup>th</sup> overall.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">And it’s not as if Beach wasn’t getting that point made to him on a regular basis.  He was.  It just didn’t appear to get through often enough.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Beach was a healthy scratch for Rockford’s home opener last year after a mindless performance over two games the weekend prior in Rosemont against the Wolves.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">With every Blackhawks executive and coach at Allstate Arena observing, Beach spent more of his ice time behind the play goading, diving, barking at officials – the opposing bench and faking injury than he did in the actual play.  It was a performance that would have wound up on the cutting room floor in a fourth SlapShot remake.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If Kyle would have spent the last three years focusing his energy on scoring goals, getting to the opposition’s net and drawing penalties by using his size instead of his mouth odds are he wouldn’t be in Sweden right now auditioning for a spot on a last-place roster.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Kyle’s in Sweden right now, not because he doesn’t have the skill to still be an NHL player someday – he’s in Sweden because you appear to have an organization that isn’t convinced it wouldn’t be wasting its time, and an AHL roster spot, on a guy who clearly doesn’t completely understand how big of an opportunity he’s practically thrown away by his own hardheadedness.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Beach did place 5<sup>th</sup> in the Blackhawks pre-training camp physical conditioning tests and by all accounts came to training camp in the best condition of his career.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He also voluntarily traveled over to Sweden in August for some unofficial workouts Barry Smith was directing with other Blackhawks prospects and players.  The Blackhawks did not ask or make accommodations for Beach to go, he did so on his own and stayed with Joakim Nordstrom while he was over there.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">For Kyle though, it appears it wasn’t enough to convince management he would be a big enough asset to keep around in Rockford.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">HV71 will face the Frolunda Indians in a match this Saturday night.  Frolunda is the team shortly-lived Blackhawks prospect and Rockford IceHogs winger Mathis Olimb now plays for.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Olimb is the player Kyle Beach picked a fight with in prospect camp in 2010.  Olimb, who is five inches shorter than Beach, suffered a shoulder injury in the fight that required surgery and he missed over a month of the IceHogs’ season.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">When I interviewed Olimb in Rockford upon his return that fall, Olimb was diplomatic about the incident that led to his injury.  However, Olimb was reportedly less than diplomatic in the newspapers back home in Norway, in which he referred to Beach as a fool.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">HV71 plays in the town of Jonkoping, which is about three hours southwest of Stockholm and an hour and a half east of Gothenburg.</p>


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How could he have been so confused? Doesn't the organIzation talk to the young players and express to them what their role will be,but the strengths and weaknesses they need to work on to get to the next level?</p>
 

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If everything in that article is true, he can stay in Sweden.</p>
 

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One may want to ask a question in regards to this story.</p>


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If the organization felt that Kyle was not living up to his expectations then why did they make a one year offer to him during the offseason?</p>


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And a one year contract with more guarantees and income then the previous?</p>
 

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