Kyle Singler draft profile

[Glide2keva]

lol, that's dumb. Boozer's been an all-star twice...Battier's had a nice career. Luol Deng was the 2nd best player on the best regular season team in the nBA this season. Jay Williams and Elton Brand had promising careers sidelined by injuries. And they've got the soon to be #1 overall pick in the draft. Grant Hill's a former Dukie, too. Comparing the NBA Quality of Duke players to the NBA Quality of other college programs is just silly...they're their own ppl after college.

No, they aren't. They went to Dook and will carry that stigma with them wherever they go. They look like world beaters at Dook, but once they get out of that system, they suck or are really good but injured a lot. They never live up to the potential or the hype.

 

[Glide2keva]

lol. The funny thing is I completely agree w/ you on Singler, and I don't think he's a fit for the Bulls either. But, you got my point, of the 12 Dukie's in the league, roughly half are starters, and most of the others are bench pieces that actually play. My point was Duke players get a bad NBA rap b/c of the Laettners/Dunleavy's of the world...but to say you don't want duke players on your team b/c of how "the majority" of them turn out is just silly. 2/5 of our starting line-up were dukies this season!

And 2-2 of them have a reputation for being injury prone.

 

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You don't notice the coincidence?

The guys you named are the exceptions, not the rule.

Grant Hill (injuries)
Trajon Landon (exactly)
Bobby Hurley (MVA - Motor Vehicle Accident)
Jay Williams (See Bobby Hurley)
Cherokee Parks (Yeah, okay.)
Carlos Boozer (good player, but injury prone)
Luol Deng (See Boozer)
Corey Magette (More solid than anyone else, but nothing special)
Danny Ferry (Great White Hype)
Chritian Leattner (See Danny Ferry)
Elton Brand (selfish and injury prone)
Jay Bilas (Who did he do in the pros again?)
Jeff Capel (see Bilas)
Thomas Hill (um, yeah)
Shane Battier (solid career)


Thanks clonetrooper for the one's I forgot. Forgot all about Dunleavey and Dahntay Jones and Reddick.

You listed 15 players, and of them, Battier, Deng, Boozer, Hill, and Magette have had some level of success in the pro's. And now you're pointing out that b/c a lot of Dukies are drafted, and since no more than 33% are high-level players, that no player from Duke should be drafted b/c he went to duke.

I'm confused.

Someone tell the Cavs to pass on Kyrie Irving...he went to the wrong program.

 

[clonetrooper264]

lol. The funny thing is I completely agree w/ you on Singler, and I don't think he's a fit for the Bulls either. But, you got my point, of the 12 Dukie's in the league, roughly half are starters, and most of the others are bench pieces that actually play. My point was Duke players get a bad NBA rap b/c of the Laettners/Dunleavy's of the world...but to say you don't want duke players on your team b/c of how "the majority" of them turn out is just silly. 2/5 of our starting line-up were dukies this season!

lol I guess I should've been a bit more clear. I didn't say that I didn't want a Duke player because they're Duke players. Duke players have shown that they can play a role in the right system, but right now that's not what we need and THAT'S why I don't really want a late first round Dukie. Unless we get a guy that can actually play a role that we need. I think Nolan Smith or whatever his name is can be that Duke role player for us off the bench, but I'd rather we trade that pick to get someone who's going to get us past Miami. That said, if we end up with a role player in the draft, worst case scenario he's James Johnson and best case scenario he's like Taj Gibson or something.

 

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And 2-2 of them have a reputation for being injury prone.

Boozer, Def. Pretty sure Deng played the most minutes on the team this season, tho.

 

[Glide2keva]

You listed 15 players, and of them, Battier, Deng, Boozer, Hill, and Magette have had some level of success in the pro's. And now you're pointing out that b/c a lot of Dukies are drafted, and since no more than 33% are high-level players, that no player from Duke should be drafted b/c he went to duke.

I'm confused.

Someone tell the Cavs to pass on Kyrie Irving, he went to the wrong program.

These 3 guys were some of the best players to come out of Dook, but they are injury prone. Further still, neither of these three players have lived up to their potential. I'm a UNC fan and so I saw all of these guy while they were at Duke.

Dook just has a bad reputation of not getting players ready for the pros, or something freakish is going to happen to them and they usually fade somewhere along their careers.

Grant Hill is still the biggest star type player to come out of there, and that's sad.

 

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lol I guess I should've been a bit more clear. I didn't say that I didn't want a Duke player because they're Duke players. Duke players have shown that they can play a role in the right system, but right now that's not what we need and THAT'S why I don't really want a late first round Dukie. Unless we get a guy that can actually play a role that we need. I think Nolan Smith or whatever his name is can be that Duke role player for us off the bench, but I'd rather we trade that pick to get someone who's going to get us past Miami. That said, if we end up with a role player in the draft, worst case scenario he's James Johnson and best case scenario he's like Taj Gibson or something.

Agreed 100%.

 

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These 3 guys were some of the best players to come out of Dook, but they are injury prone. Further still, neither of these three players have lived up to their potential. I'm a UNC fan and so I saw all of these guy while they were at Duke.

Dook just has a bad reputation of not getting players ready for the pros, or something freakish is going to happen to them and they usually fade somewhere along their careers.

Grant Hill is still the biggest star type player to come out of there, and that's sad.

This will be getting into a different debate...but I wanna know other's thoughts. Should the goal of college b-ball programs to get their players ready for the NBA? I don't think it is...I think it's prepare them for immediate success and life after college, not necessarily the NBA, but I understand Duke students are a bit different. Thoguhts?

 

[Glide2keva]

Boozer, Def. Pretty sure Deng played the most minutes on the team this season, tho.

Yeah, this season but before then he was always injured in some way or another.

I'm a UNC guy, so it sticks in my craw to root for a Dookie, but I do because they play for my team. I rooted for Duhon, Brand, and Williams, just like I root for Deng and Boozer.

I just really hate Dook. My family is split on it. Half my NC family loves UNC and the other half loves some Dook. My dad went to Dook. So it goes deep for me.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Boozer, Def. Pretty sure Deng played the most minutes on the team this season, tho.

Deng was in the top 4 in minutes played or something. Ridiculous. We need to get him a backup so he doesn't injure himself again. Imo if we play Deng about the same amount we play Rose, then he'll do a lot better. But as our team is structured with no really clear backup at SF, he has to play a lot of minutes since he is versatile and can be moved around the rotation as needed. We saw the epic confusion for a bit when he got those 2 fouls in game 4 (or 3? idr) and no one knew who was going to go out.

 

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Yeah, this season but before then he was always injured in some way or another.

I'm a UNC guy, so it sticks in my craw to root for a Dookie, but I do because they play for my team. I rooted for Duhon, Brand, and Williams, just like I root for Deng and Boozer.

I just really hate Dook. My family is split on it. Half my NC family loves UNC and the other half loves some Dook. My dad went to Dook. So it goes deep for me.

I feel you..if you hadn't noticed, I'm a duke fan...no family ties at all...just liked them when I was really young...in the heart of UK country, no less.

 

[clonetrooper264]

This will be getting into a different debate...but I wanna know other's thoughts. Should the goal of college b-ball programs to get their players ready for the NBA? I don't think it is...I think it's prepare them for immediate success and life after college, not necessarily the NBA, but I understand Duke students are a bit different. Thoguhts?

First and foremost college is an educational institution and as such preparing for life after college should be their goal. In terms of teams, I still think they should be preparing for life, not the NBA, although some may go there afterwards. Because what happens if you get Jay Williams-ed? That education is more important than becoming a basketball player. And even then, education is important. Look at Shaq, he's getting a freaking PhD! Listen to his speech and he'll tell you what's important.

 

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First and foremost college is an educational institution and as such preparing for life after college should be their goal. In terms of teams, I still think they should be preparing for life, not the NBA, although some may go there afterwards. Because what happens if you get Jay Williams-ed? That education is more important than becoming a basketball player. And even then, education is important. Look at Shaq, he's getting a freaking PhD! Listen to his speech and he'll tell you what's important.

You get a letter of recommendation from K and work for ESPN. lulz.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I feel you..if you hadn't noticed, I'm a duke fan...no family ties at all...just liked them when I was really young...in the heart of UK country, no less.

I actually liked Duke a lot when I was little too. They're one of the best programs in all of college basketball and Coach K is one heck of a coach. I'd like to see him coach in the NBA one day (I mean, he coached the Olympic team, I'm sure he can coach a team like...the Pistons. ._. I kid).

 

[clonetrooper264]

You get a letter of recommendation from K and work for ESPN. lulz.

Well screw it then, prepare for the NBA! xD

 

[Glide2keva]

This will be getting into a different debate...but I wanna know other's thoughts. Should the goal of college b-ball programs to get their players ready for the NBA? I don't think it is...I think it's prepare them for immediate success and life after college, not necessarily the NBA, but I understand Duke students are a bit different. Thoughts?

Not necessarily. However certain schools are magnets for kids that want to get to the pro's. For some strange reason Dook is becoming one of them. Irving is the first 1 and done from there in a while right?

These kids are trying to get to the next level and certain schools will get them exposure. They have the big name that draws the crowds and gets TV ratings. You do well there and chances are you'll make it to the league. Eric Montross made it to the league and sucked badly, same with Cherokee Parks. Going to UNC and Dook helped both players in getting there. So some coaches should prepare them for the next level in that sense.

John Calipari makes no pretense how his program is run. It's a springboard to the league (Rose, Wall, Cousins, Evans).

I think there should be some type of balance.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

hate blinds doesnt it?

singler will be a solid bench player...but i tend to agree with the consensus that the bulls shouldnt take him....but he does everything pretty good...just doesnt have a really overlying strength

 

[Glide2keva]

I feel you..if you hadn't noticed, I'm a duke fan...no family ties at all...just liked them when I was really young...in the heart of UK country, no less.

There's a couple of Dook fans on here, they even have an award for that (weird).

I did notice, but I didn't want to get into a Tobacco Road Rivalry type of thing with a fellow Bulls fan.

 

[Glide2keva]

You get a letter of recommendation from K and work for ESPN. lulz.

This.

 

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Not necessarily. However certain schools are magnets for kids that want to get to the pro's. For some strange reason Dook is becoming one of them. Irving is the first 1 and done from there in a while right?

These kids are trying to get to the next level and certain schools will get them exposure. They have the big name that draws the crowds and gets TV ratings. You do well there and chances are you'll make it to the league. Eric Montross made it to the league and sucked badly, same with Cherokee Parks. Going to UNC and Dook helped both players in getting there. So some coaches should prepare them for the next level in that sense.

John Calipari makes no pretense how his program is run. It's a springboard to the league (Rose, Wall, Cousins, Evans).

I think there should be some type of balance.

Lu was a OAD player...He's the last I remember. We may have 2 in a row tho w/ Austin Rivers. Hope the CBA prevents it.