LeBron ftl.....again

[FedEx227]

LeBron does that every single game. I don't see Kobe doing that all the time. And he is probably dissecting the game in his head. The original debate was Cavs fans saying he is, then Cutsizzle was like he could. I said in response that for him to be remembered as the greatest legend ever, he needs the bling. We have HOFers, and then we have legends.

I have rebuttals but I'll save it for the show.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

lebron is the most TALENTED player ever..he is the most skilled.

jordan is better because of his clutchness mental edge desire to win

plus jordan can take over games in ways idk if even lebron can

 

[CBPtOSU]

I never hated LeBron until last season. I hated the bandwagon fans who love LeBron cause he's a good player. I can admit he's a GREAT player and will go down top 3 of all-time. He's just a classless asshole. The things he does are not needed.

I'm not talking about the Fans that live in Cleveland or supported them all their lives. I'm talking the bandwagon fans all over the country who claim to love cleveland basketball because of LeBron. Which in reality, they never were Cleveland fans. I hear it all the time.. trust me. I got several texts here, (i live in IL, btw) about how the Bulls suck and LeBron's the GOAT, Cleveland is the best team ever, blah blah blah, when in all reality these same people were Bulls fans when Jordan was here.

Agree 100%. I can admit that he is a great player and will be a top 3 as well. It's the unnecessary things he does that he won't go down as an all-time legend like Jordan, Shaq, Russell, Kobe, Duncan, Magic, Kareem, etc.

I get what you're saying too, I get it for being a Lakers fan. Which is bullshit. I have been a Bulls fan since I was 7 because I live in Chicago and watched the end of the Jordan era. In 1999, when I was 11, I became an L.A. Lakers fan because they hired Phil Jackson. Because I wasn't happy with the way Krause destroyed the dynasty, I adopted the Lakers as my #1 team, but I never stopped rooting for the Bulls, the only time now that I don't root for the Bulls is when they play the Lakers

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

bandwagoner..jk

maybe its just me but i have always like lebron

now kobe...

different story

 

[CBPtOSU]

lebron is the most TALENTED player ever..he is the most skilled.

jordan is better because of his clutchness mental edge desire to win

plus jordan can take over games in ways idk if even lebron can

I can agree with that. Kobe has that same desire as Jordan. The thing is with Kobe and Jordan, late in the game, they put their team on their backs and dominate. Give them the ball, and get out of their way. LeBron isn't selfish enough down the stretch. Kobe and Jordan might have an open teammate, but they decide, you know what, if we lose, this is on me. I'm not putting it on my teammates.

I know Jordan passed the ball to Steve Kerr for the winning shot in 1997, but that is a different scenario IMO. Because if you look at the final play of games 1 and 6, they are a carbon copy. When I watch the tapes, I can't tell until the end which game it is. That's another thing with Jordan's mind-set too. They ran the isolation for him in game 1 and he made it. So he knows Utah is not going to let that burn them again, and if they run that play, Stockton is going to double him. So passing to Kerr was Jordan throwing the element of surprise at Utah, because Steve Kerr can make that shot and he has confidence in Kerr that he can make that shot.

As I type this, I am sitting next to a guy wearing a shirt that says Michael Jordan Dream Killer. On the back, it says Ewing, Miller, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, with the Larry O'Brien trophy crossed out

 

[zack54attack]

lol @ someone saying what has Jordan done for the NBA.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

^^lollers

 

[Anytime23]

Does anyone even know what Kobe is laughing about in those GIFs? IDK about the first one but in the second they are laughing at the complete posterization that Shannon Brown put on someone. You see that every time any player on any team has a huge dunk on someone. You never see Kobe or Wade dance on the court during a game(LeBron baseline against Drew Gooden two years ago). Jordan may have talked trash and disrespected players but he never disrespected the game of basketball, which LeBron James done. Ive never seen such sideline mockery and foolishness. BTW Jordan, Kobe and Wade all have one thing in common and LeBron is missing it...Guess what it is???

 

[Lefty]

Does anyone even know what Kobe is laughing about in those GIFs?

He's not laughing, he's "dissecting the game"

IDK about the first one but in the second they are laughing at the complete posterization that Shannon Brown put on someone. You see that every time any player on any team has a huge dunk on someone.

You also see it a lot when a clearly dominant player is constantly laying his nuts on the foreheads of inferior opponents a la LeBron James.

You never see Kobe or Wade dance on the court during a game(LeBron baseline against Drew Gooden two years ago).

Ok, but you see Kobe and Wade and countless others "disrespect" other players in different ways (both Kobe gif's), so it's LeBron's fault that he's just doing it in a different way? That's a little hypocritical don't you think?

Jordan may have talked trashand disrespected players

Yes, he did. To other players, teammates, referees, and front office personnel. He also lambasted teammates and organizational higher-ups he didn't like multiple times, and often used the media to do it. These are things LeBron has never been said to do.

but he never disrespected the game of basketball,

Uhhh, you mean OTHER than when he got caught gambling on NBA games, right?

which LeBron James done.

How, exactly? By expressing the same amount of playful giddiness that other players exhibit in the same amount (or more), but just in a different way?

And don't come back with the "he didn't shake the Magic's hands" incident, either. That was one solitary issue, and even Dwight Howard came out in the media as understanding of LeBron's decision. Let it go.

Ive never seen such sideline mockery and foolishness.

Really? How many NBA games do you watch in a season? Also, do you watch those games on TV or in person, and how often do you do each? I highly doubt LeBron is the first player to do the type of things everyone is all up in arms about.

BTW Jordan, Kobe and Wade all have one thing in common and LeBron is missing it...Guess what it is???

First of all: no one here is saying that LeBron is better than Jordan, Kobe and Wade. No one. Secondly, LEBRON IS TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD! Wade got his first (and possibly ONLY) ring at age 24, Kobe at 21 and MJ at 27. Ok, so he's a bit behind Kobe and Wade in terms of rings, big deal.

Finally, basketball is a TEAM GAME. It can be heavily influenced by one player, yes, but it is nearly impossible for a single player to win a championship all by himself. Using championships as a comparative tool across players is by its nature giving those players too much credit or blame for the accomplishments of the rest of their team.

 

[Lex L.]

lebron is the most TALENTED player ever..he is the most skilled.
jordan is better because of his clutchness mental edge desire to win

plus jordan can take over games in ways idk if even lebron can

I dont agree with this. Lebron is a great athlete but so was Jordan. Jordans first step was insanely quick. No one in the history of the league was better at getting to the basket than Jordan. No one in the history of the league was a better scorer. Sure, there are the intangibles for example, Jordan never backed down. But also, Jordan played during an era where handchecking was allowed and the game was more physical. If you would have taken away handchecking then like they did a few years ago, he would have been even more unstoppable. Jordan was the most fouled player in the history of the league and there is a big reason why.

 

[Lex L.]

I can agree with that. Kobe has that same desire as Jordan. The thing is with Kobe and Jordan, late in the game, they put their team on their backs and dominate. Give them the ball, and get out of their way. LeBron isn't selfish enough down the stretch. Kobe and Jordan might have an open teammate, but they decide, you know what, if we lose, this is on me. I'm not putting it on my teammates.

I know Jordan passed the ball to Steve Kerr for the winning shot in 1997, but that is a different scenario IMO. Because if you look at the final play of games 1 and 6, they are a carbon copy. When I watch the tapes, I can't tell until the end which game it is. That's another thing with Jordan's mind-set too. They ran the isolation for him in game 1 and he made it. So he knows Utah is not going to let that burn them again, and if they run that play, Stockton is going to double him. So passing to Kerr was Jordan throwing the element of surprise at Utah, because Steve Kerr can make that shot and he has confidence in Kerr that he can make that shot.

As I type this, I am sitting next to a guy wearing a shirt that says Michael Jordan Dream Killer. On the back, it says Ewing, Miller, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, with the Larry O'Brien trophy crossed out

This isnt true. Jordan never checked out of a game 7 like Kobe did a few years ago against the Suns. Also, when the Pistons came along with their brutal style of play, Jordan knew when he went in the lane he was going to get annihilated at times but he never backed down. Nothing like that exists now.

Also, theres no way Paul Pierce would have stopped Jordan like he did Kobe a couple of years ago in the finals.

 

[Lefty]

I dont agree with this. Lebron is a great athlete but so was Jordan. Jordans first step was insanely quick. No one in the history of the league was better at getting to the basket than Jordan. No one in the history of the league was a better scorer. Sure, there are the intangibles for example, Jordan never backed down. But also, Jordan played during an era where handchecking was allowed and the game was more physical. If you would have taken away handchecking then like they did a few years ago, he would have been even more unstoppable. Jordan was the most fouled player in the history of the league and there is a big reason why.

There's no doubt that MJ was athletically gifted on a level that few can dream of (even for NBA players), but I have to give LeBron the edge there. He's 6'8, 260 (at least) and is faster than many NFL kick returners. As far as his ability to play in the air and above the rim, LeBron probably wins that one, too. That's subjective as hell, but hey.

 

[Lex L.]

There's no doubt that MJ was athletically gifted on a level that few can dream of (even for NBA players), but I have to give LeBron the edge there. He's 6'8, 260 (at least) and is faster than many NFL kick returners. As far as his ability to play in the air and above the rim, LeBron probably wins that one, too. That's subjective as hell, but hey.

I think 6'8 and 260 means more when he's playing football but, where basketball is concerned, Lebron is also kind of like a battleship trying to turn in the middle of the ocean in comparison to Jordan who is more like a speedboat. I also think that people actually forget how explosive Jordan was when he was 25...not to mention stamina. And in terms of in the air, its no contest. Jordan was far more acrobatic in the air.

And youre getting carried away with the thing you said about the kick returners.

 

[FedEx227]

I think 6'8 and 260 means more when he's playing football but, where basketball is concerned, Lebron is also kind of like a battleship trying to turn in the middle of the ocean in comparison to Jordan who is more like a speedboat. I also think that people actually forget how explosive Jordan was when he was 25...not to mention stamina. And in terms of in the air, its no contest. Jordan was far more acrobatic in the air.

And youre getting carried away with the thing you said about the kick returners.

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[Lex L.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCAskM65N4

Thats great but Lebron is kind of straight-linish compared to Jordan. The more impactful athletic dimension to basketball is the ability to jump in the lane, hang, contort, absorb contact, and feather a shot off the glass with the deftest touch or outright dunk it.

Its not that I dont think Lebron is a great athlete but when you look at Jordan when he was 25, I see athletic ability that translate more to basketball. I think another thing that affects this whole conversation is that people's most recent memory of Jordan is when he was old while their most recent memory of Lebron is him when he's 25.

 

[CBPtOSU]

Does anyone even know what Kobe is laughing about in those GIFs? IDK about the first one but in the second they are laughing at the complete posterization that Shannon Brown put on someone. You see that every time any player on any team has a huge dunk on someone. You never see Kobe or Wade dance on the court during a game(LeBron baseline against Drew Gooden two years ago). Jordan may have talked trash and disrespected players but he never disrespected the game of basketball, which LeBron James done. Ive never seen such sideline mockery and foolishness. BTW Jordan, Kobe and Wade all have one thing in common and LeBron is missing it...Guess what it is???

This

 

[Lefty]

Thats great but Lebron is kind of straight-linish compared to Jordan. The more impactful athletic dimension to basketball is the ability to jump in the lane, hang, contort, absorb contact, and feather a shot off the glass with the deftest touch or outright dunk it.

Its not that I dont think Lebron is a great athlete but when you look at Jordan when he was 25, I see athletic ability that translate more to basketball. I think another thing that affects this whole conversation is that people's most recent memory of Jordan is when he was old while their most recent memory of Lebron is him when he's 25.

There's no such thing as an ability to "hang" in the air. Every player is subject to the same gravitational forces as everyone else on the planet ever, and their motion through the air is no different than any other projectile on this planet. Also, there's that whole thing of a body not being able to exert a net force on itself.

This

I think I did a pretty good job of debunking pretty much everything that guy said, but no surprise you read past that

 

[chs234]

LeBron James is the most talented player the NBA has ever seen. He isn't the best though. Not yet anyway.

 

[Lex L.]

There's no such thing as an ability to "hang" in the air. Every player is subject to the same gravitational forces as everyone else on the planet ever, and their motion through the air is no different than any other projectile on this planet. Also, there's that whole thing of a body not being able to exert a net force on itself.



I think I did a pretty good job of debunking pretty much everything that guy said, but no surprise you read past that

Thats not true. It has something to do with how you position your legs and when. I saw a break down on it once.

 

[Lefty]

Thats not true. It has something to do with how you position your legs and when. I saw a break down on it once.

Yes, it is.

When a player jumps while running forward, there are only two forces acting on him: drag (acting in the opposite direction of his forward motion) and gravity (pulling him down). Now, with only gravity pulling the player down, and a body not being able to exert a force upon itself (otherwise, you could pull yourself up to the ceiling by your belt), that player follows a definite arc through space, and that arc is defined by the same things every other projectile fired on Earth is: velocity (vector and speed) at takeoff, angle of takeoff, drag and gravity.

There is no special ability to make yourself "hang" in the air longer, there just isn't.

Now, there IS an optical illusion that occurs when a player extends or retracts his arms and legs in flight, possibly making it look as though the player "hangs" in the air but that extension/retraction has no affect on his flight path whatsoever, nor does it change how high the player can reach or how long he is in the air.