Less than 36 hours until the trade deadline -- what do you expect the Cubs to do?

[Jntg4]

Probably the same way you KNEW that I didn't understand WAR because I didn't list every last statistic used to compile it.

No, he knew because you only compared offense, suggesting that because Craig lead all those categories that WAR had to be flawed. Troll on.

 

[SilenceS]

No, he knew because you only compared offense, suggesting that because Craig lead all those categories that WAR had to be flawed. Troll on.

Not really wanting to get into this again, but how is WAR not flawed? Darwin Barney had a terrific WAR last year and that was strictly because of his defense. His bat was still horrible and he should not have been in the same category of WAR with those players.

4.8 WAR last year for Barney and the best defensive WAR in the league with a 3.6. I am sorry but that is not right. I think we can all agree that WAR can be used, but just not to the extreme.

 

[mountsalami]

Nice to see another thread where the board's "braintrust" get together to flex their muscles on more what if's and could be's.

Great stuff.

 

[JosMin]

Schierholtz not starting against a righty in the second game of the double-header? I smell a trade..... :thinking:

 

[TL1961]

His defense is above average and can play short and second. He would be what he is suppose to be on a team a UI. Barney is a major leaguer just not a starter.

Silence, if a team were to release a guy like him in the winter, there would be teams that may be interested in adding a utility IF to their bench.

But at the trade deadline, teams aren't spending their time looking for that. The buyers have bigger needs. His BA has killed whatever value he may have, and I think most teams already have comparable guys on their bench, and thus don't see a need to give anything up.

And from a Cubs standpoint, what big gain is it to trade a starter for little return, only to then have a hold to fill? Not that it would be a big blow, but, again, a very low priority move. I think that's why he's not being moved.

 

[TL1961]

Schierholtz not starting against a righty in the second game of the double-header? I smell a trade..... :thinking:

This is one I could take or leave. He isn't the type of OF you'r sorely miss, and if they got something for the future, good.

But if they kept him and he could be the relatively low priced vet on the team in the next few years, that would be OK.

But I think you're right. Sitting him may be a sign he's about to go.

 

[JosMin]

This is one I could take or leave. He isn't the type of OF you'r sorely miss, and if they got something for the future, good.

But if they kept him and he could be the relatively low priced vet on the team in the next few years, that would be OK.

But I think you're right. Sitting him may be a sign he's about to go.

I look at it this way -- they're selling high on a left-handed specialist who's played relatively well for them this season. His OPS has never been within 100 points (!!!?!) of what it is right now, and whatever team acquires him in trade has a very cheap guy for this season and his final arbitration year, as well. He'd be a great platoon option for a contender or a left-handed bat for a team like Tampa, Texas or Arizona wanting to add insurance or some oomph off the bench. This would also give the Cubs the chance to bring up a guy like Vitters or Szczur and give him some reps, much like Junior Lake.

 

[JosMin]

Buster Olney lists the Cubs as a potential suitor for Ian Kennedy.

@Buster_ESPN Cubs may also be a destination for Ian Kennedy -- along with the Padres/Angels, as @SteveGilbertMLB. But probably won't happen with SD.

Trade makes sense for Arizona, as they'd probably want to clear as much salary, and a rotation spot to boot, if they're serious about landing Jake Peavy. It's also important to point out that Kennedy would be under team control through next season.

 

[Parade_Rain]

His defense is above average and can play short and second. He would be what he is suppose to be on a team a UI. Barney is a major leaguer just not a starter.

And nobody needs a player like that. They likely have that in their own farm system already or on their mlb team.



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[mountsalami]

And nobody needs a player like that. They likely have that in their own farm system already or on their mlb team.



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Apparently Epstein does and can't seem to find one better.

 

[Jntg4]

Not really wanting to get into this again, but how is WAR not flawed? Darwin Barney had a terrific WAR last year and that was strictly because of his defense. His bat was still horrible and he should not have been in the same category of WAR with those players.

4.8 WAR last year for Barney and the best defensive WAR in the league with a 3.6. I am sorry but that is not right. I think we can all agree that WAR can be used, but just not to the extreme.

The reason he used does not make it flawed, also doesn't mean it isn't.

 

[patg006]

Scherholtz will be traded to the Pirates.

The Cubs will get a solid AA pitcher. Both the guys below have the size and power potential the Cubs seem to be looking at.

Tyler Glasnow
Nick Kingham

Link to this? Any substance? He played in game 1 of a double header today.

Glasnow looks very good at A ball right now....Kingham too. Hard to believe one of them will be shipped for a situational OF who cant hit LHP

 

[Jntg4]

Link to this? Any substance? He played in game 1 of a double header today.

Glasnow looks very good at A ball right now....Kingham too. Hard to believe one of them will be shipped for a situational OF who cant hit LHP

Think it was his own speculation.

 

[patg006]

Think it was his own speculation.

Oh. What a jackass......

 

[JosMin]

Not a Cubs tidbit... but Jackie Bradley and Anthony Ranaudo were pulled from their game earlier this evening for Pautuckett and Portland, respectively. One of my buddies from college plays for the Pautuckett Sox, I'll text him tonight and see if he knows anything.

 

[KBisBack!]

Not really wanting to get into this again, but how is WAR not flawed? Darwin Barney had a terrific WAR last year and that was strictly because of his defense. His bat was still horrible and he should not have been in the same category of WAR with those players.

4.8 WAR last year for Barney and the best defensive WAR in the league with a 3.6. I am sorry but that is not right. I think we can all agree that WAR can be used, but just not to the extreme.

Sorry Silence, you haven't been paying attention.

You didn't mention any offensive stats in your breakdown of WAR, so you clearly must not understand how it works.

Also, I did not mention Barney's broken WAR from last year in my thread about WAR and it has already been decided that the example I used was the one and only example in history of how WAR is flawed.

 

[CSF77]

Point of the thread. No I do not believe there will be any more trades. Gregg is the closest to making sense but I do not believe he will get anything in return worth trading for.

BP is shaky enough with out pulling the closer out. Not for a scrub return.

 

[chibears55]

im looking for schierholtz, dejesus, and gregg to be moved. barney valbuena ransom and russell as possibles. samardzija as a never know..

 

[brett05]

Interesting stat I heard this morning. The Cubs 2013 leader in blown saves is.....James Russell. Wonder if that has any play in trade value.

 

[nwfisch]

Interesting stat I heard this morning. The Cubs 2013 leader in blown saves is.....James Russell. Wonder if that has any play in trade value.

Management seems to believe he's a core piece going forward.