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[TheStig]

Gary is a shithole, but there are parts on Lake Michigan that are absolutely beautiful. I lived in Milwaukee for a year, 10 minute walk from the north beach, and it was perfect. Some parts of the lake will always carry more shitwash than others, but its so massive, that everything disperses so well. I can't believe when I was little, Gary was this up-and-coming city, and now it's just an embarrassment.

Well clearly then we are worried about nothing with the bp oil spill. The ocean is so massive it will just disperse it well. The reason they close the beaches at times is because that dispersement is reliable and washes up at times. The Northern parts like Milwaukee are still nice but that isn't certain to remain.

 

[TheStig]

Maybe but I would certainly take Orlando over Chicago.

Outside of climate, I completely disagree. Orlando is not somewhere I'd want to live.

 

[Crystallas]

Well clearly then we are worried about nothing with the bp oil spill. The ocean is so massive it will just disperse it well. The reason they close the beaches at times is because that dispersement is reliable and washes up at times. The Northern parts like Milwaukee are still nice but that isn't certain to remain.

Well wait a minute. You're opening a whole new can of worms by pointing at BP and oil, although oil actively leaks into the ocean naturally. Dispersion has been happening in nature forever, through air, water whatever. Gary is a shithole, I agree with you there, but the Lake Michigan closings were part of new regulations that happened to beaches ALL OVER THE US, including California, Florida, Hawaii. The amount of pollution is not due to any single source, and even many scientists say the vast minority is from industrial waste, and the majority is from nature itself. Maybe the morons at PITA-like institutes can blame it all on man, but it's just not true.

 

[TheStig]

Well wait a minute. You're opening a whole new can of worms by pointing at BP and oil, although oil actively leaks into the ocean naturally. Dispersion has been happening in nature forever, through air, water whatever. Gary is a shithole, I agree with you there, but the Lake Michigan closings were part of new regulations that happened to beaches ALL OVER THE US, including California, Florida, Hawaii. The amount of pollution is not due to any single source, and even many scientists say the vast minority is from industrial waste, and the majority is from nature itself. Maybe the morons at PITA-like institutes can blame it all on man, but it's just not true.

I don't care what causes it. Thats irrelevant from the original point that Lake Michigan is heavily polluted. 3 of the top 10 most polluted beaches are on lake michigan. Including number 1.

Most Polluted Beaches in the US - AOL Travel News

 

[Crystallas]

I don't care what causes it. Thats irrelevant from the original point that Lake Michigan is heavily polluted. 3 of the top 10 most polluted beaches are on lake michigan. Including number 1.

Most Polluted Beaches in the US - AOL Travel News

Something is weird about those stats. Lots of missing beaches and data. I was confused on how the scale works, so I looked at how they get these numbers. If a municipality requires an ultra low exceedance standard, basically meaning that it sets the bar very high for pollution tolerance, then the water quality will trigger a beach closing, in comparison to a location with the maximum exceedance standard. That screws up the NRDC list, and makes it very hard to judge the beaches of the US on pollution. So then I went to see what Chicago's exceedance standards are, and Chicago is very picky, and this will raise the exceedance rates. However, the quality of the water has been improving in Lake Michigan, it's just the standards for what is considered to be a "safe beach" has risen tremendously.

So it's cleaner now, but it closes more often. Yeah, that is a bit confusing.

 

[TheStig]

Something is weird about those stats. Lots of missing beaches and data. I was confused on how the scale works, so I looked at how they get these numbers. If a municipality requires an ultra low exceedance standard, basically meaning that it sets the bar very high for pollution tolerance, then the water quality will trigger a beach closing, in comparison to a location with the maximum exceedance standard. That screws up the NRDC list, and makes it very hard to judge the beaches of the US on pollution. So then I went to see what Chicago's exceedance standards are, and Chicago is very picky, and this will raise the exceedance rates. However, the quality of the water has been improving in Lake Michigan, it's just the standards for what is considered to be a "safe beach" has risen tremendously.

So it's cleaner now, but it closes more often. Yeah, that is a bit confusing.

It might be cleaner than it was 10 years ago but that doesn't make it clean. I'm not a scientist but clearly 3 out of the top 10 and the top1 isn't clean.

 

[Crystallas]

It might be cleaner than it was 10 years ago but that doesn't make it clean. I'm not a scientist but clearly 3 out of the top 10 and the top1 isn't clean.

But the stat is bunked. Worst 10 in the US, but it's only based on 1/8th of the beaches.

 

[TheStig]

But the stat is bunked. Worst 10 in the US, but it's only based on 1/8th of the beaches.

Well when you compile all the data and get it published we will consider it better. Its not the only article talking about how LM isn't clean. Its not. Might be cleaner then 10-15 years ago but so are a lot of things. Doesn't make them clean. Overstated or not, the point is the same.