Looking for a new laptop

[Omeletpants]

Listen fuckheads. Technology is not about price, it's about utility. Millions of people are non=computer savvy and if not for Mac wouldnt have a reliable and working computer. Just because YOU can take apart and put back together blindfolded a Windows computer doesnt mean that many millions of other people can. You are a fucking mutant so just acknowledge that and move on.

Even I, that may have sold more computers than anyone in the world uses and prefers a Mac.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

So I went to best buy and ended up getting a lenovo 2-in-1 Yoga 3 for the exact same price as a macbook air. Still getting used to the whole set up, but so far the resolution and processing speed is great. Really like the fact that I can use it as a tablet when necessary.

 

[botfly10]

Listen fuckheads. Technology is not about price, it's about utility. Millions of people are non=computer savvy and if not for Mac wouldnt have a reliable and working computer. Just because YOU can take apart and put back together blindfolded a Windows computer doesnt mean that many millions of other people can. You are a fucking mutant so just acknowledge that and move on.

Even I, that may have sold more computers than anyone in the world uses and prefers a Mac.

Ommy, weren't you in marketing in the day? And sales? The idea that if you are not computer savy, your windows pc wont be reliable is insane. Its just not real. Pure marketing bullshit.

 

[Omeletpants]

Ommy, weren't you in marketing in the day? And sales? The idea that if you are not computer savy, your windows pc wont be reliable is insane. Its just not real. Pure marketing bullshit.

Computer sales but not marketing. I have never been interested in the inner working and Operating Systems. More interested in the value and utility of the computer. So, I'm fairly clumsy around the technology portion.

Years ago I realized that I could either focus on the technology or selling it. Too many salespeople get stuck living with their technical customer base

 

[Crystallas]

It's just a matter of owning a device and it doing what you want, when you want. Or buying a device, but actually renting it. While that device might do what you want most of the time, it may do what the software and hardware proprietors want it to do.

Neither of which require much skill or know-how. This is 2015. The dumbest of dumb can use any major system without a hiccup. Like I've said before, I have the least amount of issues by far and away, by sitting a new user in front of a linux based machine, over the controlware counterparts that cost 20% more(or in the case of apple 60% more). But hey, ecosystem... that's really what you buy when you purchase a Mac. Like buying a pair of Diesel jeans for $150, when the pair of Wranglers/Lee or a big lot of many brands cost $15 and are just as comfortable. It's a matter of knowing that a company preys on the psychology of users, while pushing a LOT of misinformation. The main difference with someone that is tech savvy, is they can spot the suckers.

 

[botfly10]

The place I work at uses all mac for everything and everyone and its fucking stupid how limiting it is for our tech capabilities.

 

[nvanprooyen]

But hey, ecosystem... that's really what you buy when you purchase a Mac. Like buying a pair of Diesel jeans for $150, when the pair of Wranglers/Lee or a big lot of many brands cost $15 and are just as comfortable. It's a matter of knowing that a company preys on the psychology of users, while pushing a LOT of misinformation. The main difference with someone that is tech savvy, is they can spot the suckers.

I dunno. When I bought my MB Pro (15" Retina), there were very few alternatives on the market that could match the form factor, power, screen quality and battery life. When I looked through options, I vaguely remember looking at a few models and they didn't stand up. Dell XPS and some ASUS model that I can't remember the name of right now. While slightly more expensive, the MB Pro was pretty much the best laptop you could buy (for my purposes anyways, I don't do any gaming). Up until that point, I was a lifelong Windows user and didn't really like the idea of needing to switch to OSX. And let's not pretend that Macs are just for the technically stupid crowd. Some of the brightest software engineers I know use them and love them. But whatever. Let the Apple bashing continue

 

[Ares]

I am just going to reiterate it because people seem to forget...

Macs and Windows PCs are the same thing under the hood.... same processors made by the same companies, same memory, same hard drives, same NICs, same motherboards.... Apple does not manufacture their own components.

The only thing you are buying when you buy a Mac which is different from a Windows PC is the Operating System and the case.... if you do not like the Mac Operating System.... you don't like Mac.... if you do like that Operating System.... then buy your Mac and enjoy it.

I am not joking when I say I have had people buy Macbooks and ask me to format it and put Windows on it.... then try to convince me that its actually a "better computer" than a PC. It is not a better machine.... it is the same machine with a different Operating System, period.

 

[nvanprooyen]

I know a few people that have MB Pro's running Windows for that exact reason. But I stand by what I said above. When I bought my Pro, there was nothing on the market as good for my requirements. A few were close, but fell short in another area (e.g. battery life, color accuracy etc). Price wasn't that much of a concern because I was expensing it anyways.

 

[Ares]

I know a few people that have MB Pro's running Windows for that exact reason. But I stand by what I said above. When I bought my Pro, there was nothing on the market as good for my requirements. A few were close, but fell short in another area (e.g. battery life, color accuracy etc). Price wasn't that much of a concern because I was expensing it anyways.

I cannot dispute your experience at the time you were buying, but my point speaks more to the fact that many people honestly think Mac computers are better machines with components different from Windows PCs and they are not. You can go find all the same components and get a laptop put together aside from the case with the Apple logo.

And again, if you like your Mac, that is great.... I am not a Windows fanboy on a crusade to stop people from enjoying Macs.... I just want people to be aware, the machines are made from the same stuff, the OS software is really the difference.... if you don't care for Mac OS or just are indifferent between the OS choices.... spend 1000$ less and buy an ASUS or a Lenovo Thinkpad or something.

I know Mac users who have been Mac users for 10-20 years and I have found they honestly did not realize their machine was made of the same components as a Windows machine.... it has become staggering to me how willingly uninformed people are about Apple products.

 

[Scoot26]

What in your guys opinions is the best 2 in 1 laptop?

 

[nvanprooyen]

I've heard a lot of good things about the Surface Pro 3, but haven't used one myself.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

After fumbling around some more with my Yoga3 it's actually a pretty awesome 2-in-1. I've got all my essential apps that i use on it, as well as some others though I'm still customizing.

My biggest thing is I feel the Apple Store has more quality apps than the Microsoft store, but that's just from 30 minutes of checking it out.


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[Crystallas]

I dunno. When I bought my MB Pro (15" Retina), there were very few alternatives on the market that could match the form factor, power, screen quality and battery life. When I looked through options, I vaguely remember looking at a few models and they didn't stand up. Dell XPS and some ASUS model that I can't remember the name of right now. While slightly more expensive, the MB Pro was pretty much the best laptop you could buy (for my purposes anyways, I don't do any gaming). Up until that point, I was a lifelong Windows user and didn't really like the idea of needing to switch to OSX. And let's not pretend that Macs are just for the technically stupid crowd. Some of the brightest software engineers I know use them and love them. But whatever. Let the Apple bashing continue

I don't make the claim that Apple has always had the inferior product. Post-Jobs era, they do have inferior products and any fanboy has to admit there are a lot of head scratchers in the last few years in the Cook era after a solid track record for nearly 4 years prior(which are eons in computing time). And most of the tech savvy also recognize the decline, and many have left again. Also note, my point isn't a Mac vs Windows position. I use a number of systems, and own a few Macs myself. At no point do I make this a fanboy argument, as Apple can announce tomorrow that they are going FOSS(free and open source) and I would change my tune considerably. The same with Microsoft. I support FOSS as my main bias, regardless of brand. And I despise MS and Apple manipulating the OSS terms to give off the impression they are being transparent, when open sourcing stolen software, but not making it free(free in the computing sense is not about a price tag, but a complete freedom to manipulate the code and share your development.)

So when someone asks if the Apple product is the one worth buying, and I say no. Please don't resort to the same comebacks: you must be a windows fanboy/my $1500 Mac is better than you $500 PC/Mac invented the PC(which they didn't, and were late by 6 years to both a PC and the term itself)/Once upon a time, the Mac had a better product for the price(which I agree, but does not mean anything now).

If anything, I'm a freetard to some extent, but also don't confuse that with purism. Up until windows 10, MS has been locked down, but even someone who supports freedom with their system had a great deal of control over it. Windows 10 breaks that, and closes the system even more. After an outcry, that may change(like it did after Vista and 8). So I also don't support Windows 10(which is a lengthy opinion as well). Let's face it, Apple had a period where they realized that darwinx86 was lacking in software, *slightly* opened up licenses to help get the software library filled for native x86 systems, then slowly started locking down since. Downhill since 10.7 and barely opening Swift this time will only create that same cycle.

 

[Omeletpants]

Here is another perspective for ignorant tech types like me and my wife. We have a Mac and if it has a problem we call the Mac support line. The call rings twice and someone from Idaho picks up the call then transfers us to the appropriate department (total time 4 minutes). I also have a work PC and support through the Geek Squad. Make the phone call and after an hour of waiting still have not talked to anyone. Then we never get the issue resolved. In a lot of cases apple with fix problems no charge. I have worked in this industry over 30 years and no one can touch Apple's customer service. Important consideration for those without computer skills

 

[Ares]

Here is another perspective for ignorant tech types like me and my wife. We have a Mac and if it has a problem we call the Mac support line. The call rings twice and someone from Idaho picks up the call then transfers us to the appropriate department (total time 4 minutes). I also have a work PC and support through the Geek Squad. Make the phone call and after an hour of waiting still have not talked to anyone. Then we never get the issue resolved. In a lot of cases apple with fix problems no charge. I have worked in this industry over 30 years and no one can touch Apple's customer service. Important consideration for those without computer skills

Good point of value for Apple.... and like I've said.... if they work for you and you can afford it, great.

Though if you are an idiot who buys a Macbook, has me put Windows on it for you, and then you have problems.... idk that Apple customer service is going to help too much.

Ommy you seem to know what you are getting out of your Apple products and you like them, I am certainly not targeting you when I talk about idiots who pay the Apple price basically just for the logo on the case.

More so the idiots who go "BUT IT COST DIS MUCH MONEY IZ GOTTA BE BETTER DEN DA WINDOWS RITE?"

 

[Omeletpants]

Good point of value for Apple.... and like I've said.... if they work for you and you can afford it, great.

Though if you are an idiot who buys a Macbook, has me put Windows on it for you, and then you have problems.... idk that Apple customer service is going to help too much.

Ommy you seem to know what you are getting out of your Apple products and you like them, I am certainly not targeting you when I talk about idiots who pay the Apple price basically just for the logo on the case.

More so the idiots who go "BUT IT COST DIS MUCH MONEY IZ GOTTA BE BETTER DEN DA WINDOWS RITE?"

You have to remember that I came up at the beginning of the PC revolution. In the early 90s I remember sitting on support calls with the HP helpdesk for 3-6 hours....not a lie. Shit just didnt work like it does now and forget interoperability. So I learned early that the tech piece of my life was something I really didnt care about

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

My biggest gripe with Apple now is the very limited ability to upgrade their new(er) machines.
I loved the silver G5 towers. You could mod the hell out of those, and I built some very fast editing machines by ordering base model Macs, then gutting them with better third party parts.

 

[clonetrooper264]

My biggest gripe with Apple now is the very limited ability to upgrade their new(er) machines.
I loved the silver G5 towers. You could mod the hell out of those, and I built some very fast editing machines by ordering base model Macs, then gutting them with better third party parts.

Apple doesn't like you touching their stuff for whatever reason.

 

[Jester]

Here is another perspective for ignorant tech types like me and my wife. We have a Mac and if it has a problem we call the Mac support line. The call rings twice and someone from Idaho picks up the call then transfers us to the appropriate department (total time 4 minutes). I also have a work PC and support through the Geek Squad. Make the phone call and after an hour of waiting still have not talked to anyone. Then we never get the issue resolved. In a lot of cases apple with fix problems no charge. I have worked in this industry over 30 years and no one can touch Apple's customer service. Important consideration for those without computer skills

You sound like my parents, were they nice when they told you about the power button? To each their own Ommy, it's great that you like mac but they are more money for less performance. That's just a fact, nobody is hating on you man ! I am glad you enjoy your mac and sorry that Windows pwned you.