Looking forward to sane minds...

[Chris Sojka]

going for it on 4th and not getting it was clearly jays fault...

Major Wright drops an interception... again jays fault...

Alshon Jeffery (my guy) drops a perfectly thrown TD pass for the lead... Again Jays fault...

Matt Forte runs for 38 total yards and can't break a single tackle... Jays fault...

Conte misses a tackle and lets Bush score... jays fault...

Our safeties leave Peanut 1 on 1 with Calvin Johnson and not once did they make a play on a ball or ever come close to breaking up a pass... Jays fault...

Ozzie Guillen said it best... you can't win the Kentucky Derby with a stable full of donkeys...

 

[DaaBears]

going for it on 4th and not getting it was clearly jays fault...

Major Wright drops an interception... again jays fault...

Alshon Jeffery (my guy) drops a perfectly thrown TD pass for the lead... Again Jays fault...

Matt Forte runs for 38 total yards and can't break a single tackle... Jays fault...

Conte misses a tackle and lets Bush score... jays fault...

Our safeties leave Peanut 1 on 1 with Calvin Johnson and not once did they make a play on a ball or ever come close to breaking up a pass... Jays fault...

Ozzie Guillen said it best... you can't win the Kentucky Derby with a stable full of donkeys...

I don't think most people are blaming Cutler. He certainly should not have been playing in the second half, and probably should not have played at all. And if you thought he should start the game fine, but after the fact, I think everyone should agree that we would be better off, as would Jay, if he sat out at least one more week. Now we have even a bigger problem. What to do next week.

 

[Chris Sojka]

I don't think most people are blaming Cutler. He certainly should not have been playing in the second half, and probably should not have played at all. And if you thought he should start the game fine, but after the fact, I think everyone should agree that we would be better off, as would Jay, if he sat out at least one more week. Now we have even a bigger problem. What to do next week.

Play Josh let Cutler heal...

If he remains hurt and you don't make the playoffs... you keep Josh McCown in and you tank the season and start rebuilding the defense... Resign Jay for a decent price and then grab a quality player with an earlier draft pick...

Our D-line is atrocious... We need to focus on rebuilding that right away...

 

[94c4lt1]

I don't think most people are blaming Cutler.

Better check the rest of the forum because most on here are blaming Cutler.

 

[fenderpfunk]

Most on here believed McCown would have given the bears a better shot by the third quarter.

 

[94c4lt1]

Most on here believed McCown would have given the bears a better shot by the third quarter.

Because Cutler was obviously hurt. Not sure why they kept him in while he was limited, but obviously the coaching staff believes in an injured Cutler over a healthy McCown.

 

[Silverwulf]

There are sane minds on this board?!

Hmm ... I wasn't aware ...

 

[mac bear]

There are sane minds on this board?!

Hmm ... I wasn't aware ...

Plenty… they emerge after the shit storm.

I hate playing a 'blame game' out right. It's pointless. The loss is in the books, the blame can be helpful if it is owned and rectified. I was looking for sane minds as I was unable to have seen the game. Some of the throws I saw that were completed (i.e., highlight reel stuff) were solid and yet there were a ton of incompletions, more so in the second half. My assumption was that Cutler was hurting.

The main observation that I had was that we were (note were) more or less holding Stafford to, for most of the game, under 200 yards passing. That was nuts. Johnson, to less that 90? Yes, ultimately 3 TDs for S and 2 to Megatron, but still, that's formidable. Bush didn't have a cake walk, stats wise, but you can see that our run D is still the ailment… and play calling, leaving Tillman alone with CJ. Twice.

It sure seemed that McCown came in and did well, save on the Two Point Conversion 'run' decision, but I didn't see Marshall break off his blocking (HA!) assignment to be ready to accept a pass. The concept of going for it, albeit to the left side might have been an issue, wasn't as flawed as too many here seem to think. Yeah, it wasn't working all game, so it'd be crazy to go for it… let's go for it, type thing. Still, McCown should have read the power in the box and shifted off to Marshall or Jeffery.

I'm not in the business of second guessing the coaching, cause a lot of it is 'feel' and 'timing'. I want to allow Trestman a few mistakes and suggest that he'll learn from it, but I hate the cost of that being this winnable game.

For next week, I have no clue what I feel should be the move QB wise. I think it sounds like a question of playing through the pain again, which Jay seems to do a lot. What most players do, it seems.

Sane minds… looking for sane minds...

 

[mecha]

Plenty… they emerge after the shit storm.

I hate playing a 'blame game' out right. It's pointless. The loss is in the books, the blame can be helpful if it is owned and rectified. I was looking for sane minds as I was unable to have seen the game. Some of the throws I saw that were completed (i.e., highlight reel stuff) were solid and yet there were a ton of incompletions, more so in the second half. My assumption was that Cutler was hurting.

The main observation that I had was that we were (note were) more or less holding Stafford to, for most of the game, under 200 yards passing. That was nuts. Johnson, to less that 90? Yes, ultimately 3 TDs for S and 2 to Megatron, but still, that's formidable. Bush didn't have a cake walk, stats wise, but you can see that our run D is still the ailment… and play calling, leaving Tillman alone with CJ. Twice.

It sure seemed that McCown came in and did well, save on the Two Point Conversion 'run' decision, but I didn't see Marshall break off his blocking (HA!) assignment to be ready to accept a pass. The concept of going for it, albeit to the left side might have been an issue, wasn't as flawed as too many here seem to think. Yeah, it wasn't working all game, so it'd be crazy to go for it… let's go for it, type thing. Still, McCown should have read the power in the box and shifted off to Marshall or Jeffery.

I'm not in the business of second guessing the coaching, cause a lot of it is 'feel' and 'timing'. I want to allow Trestman a few mistakes and suggest that he'll learn from it, but I hate the cost of that being this winnable game.

For next week, I have no clue what I feel should be the move QB wise. I think it sounds like a question of playing through the pain again, which Jay seems to do a lot. What most players do, it seems.

Sane minds… looking for sane minds...

same points I've been thinking about. for as powerful as the offense is, they seem to be leaving a lot of points off the board the last few weeks. they could easily be sitting at like 7-2 right now.. this and the Redskins game I think they lost by under a combined touchdown!

 

[Alpha]

if Cutler wouldn't of made that stupid throw in the end zone the bears would of won today. instead he tried to thread the needle and got picked off. standard fucking cutler

The ball got tipped by the DE and made the ball pop up for grabs, you can't blame Cutler for that one, it was a good reaction play by the defender at the front just like Peppers had at GB last week.

 

[cobra302]

I don't blame Cutler. He didn't play badly in the first half. But when he was clearly hurting in the 2nd half & was missing on a lot of his passes as a result, the coaches should've put McCown in. I'll also agree there were some dumb calls made. Surprising for the coach that's supposed to be such an offensive guru? Going for it on 4th instead of kicking the field goal, then running Forte on a slow developing play in an attempt to get the 2 point conversion, both dumb. This is a .500 team after all. Not good enough to make the playoffs, not bad enough to get a top 10 draft pick. Really sucks getting swept by Detroit, arguably one of the most classless franchises in the NFL.

 

[Teddy KGB]

Cutler is blameless in this IMO..The coach never pulled him so he kept playing. Maybe he wanted to stay in the game, but the coach makes the call

That would carry a lot more weight if you didn't act like Cutler was blameless no matter that the circumstance on any given day. :elephant:

 

[Choisauce]

i still want cutler to play against the ravens. He can make throws with an injured groin that mccown, in my opinion from watching him play, would struggle to make.

Example, that 1st TD throw to brandon marshall was a fucking laser. Basically what i'm saying is Cutty can make more throws than mccown which stresses opponents D more.

 

[quicksand30]

Trying to have some sane mind thoughts. A few observations:

--While there are are a number of things to pick on (the endzone INT, going for it on 4th and one, should Jay have been pulled earlier, 2 point calls, etc.), the reality of this team after 9 games is that that they play every game close, every game has an outcome within one score, and 5 of those times, it went the Bears' way and 4 of those times, it didn't. We stole one at Lambeau and gave up one yesterday. Sucks, but it's the NFL, period. It's a game of inches, and you can play well enough to win but still not win.

--In regard to the Second Guessing...I always remember the movie, The Butterfly Effect. If one play had gone a certain way, then you can't say for sure we would have automatically won. Say we go for the Field Goal instead of going for it on 4th and 1. OK, well, maybe Gould misses in the swirling wind. Or maybe he makes it, then on the kickoff, we give a long return to up Spurlock. You just don't know. You have to imagine an alternative, fictional history.

--All that said, I think the overriding factor that hurt yesterday was the inability to run the ball. Unlike last week, didn't get enough positive yards on 1st down and got behind on the down and distance too easily.

Some positives:
--I was encouraged that the D played well enough. Normally, our offense scores over 21+. So the fact that they held a top offense to 21 is encouraging.
--No major special teams gaffes.
--Detroit might have the best D of teams remaining on the Bears schedule (EDIT: maybe just the best d-line), aside from the Browns. So I don't think the O will struggle as much going forward, regardless of who is behind center.

Last year, we were 8-3 and blew it. We're 5-4, let's just see what happens. Maybe the Bears play better down the stretch. This time last year, the Vikings looked done. They somehow went on a run and made the playoffs. As a fan, I have Zero control over anything so there's not much to do but sit back and watch the ride.

 

[Nail Polish]

That would carry a lot more weight if you didn't act like Cutler was blameless no matter that the circumstance on any given day. :elephant:

So youre saying the post is correct but you diss it cause Im the opposite of you?

 

[Josh2J]

Jay Cutler should not have started that game. Period. ESPECIALLY with the level of play we have been getting out of McCown. There was no dam reason to rush Jay back. They should have know dam well he wouldnt be fully healed yet, regardless of what he and the docs said. Should have err'd on the side of caution.
This is not hindsight either, this was my opionion even before the game. This was an incredibly mis managed game even before kickoff, and a tough loss to swallow.

 

[discplayer]

Or maybe it was a designed quick slant that was wide open and the defender made a great play. Question the play call but the read was correct.

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"the read"? there was no read. what there WAS was Cutler staring, staring, staring and staring at only Bennett. even when it was clear that there were 3 defenders to that side, a fourth, once Suh ALSO got in on the party and "read" Jay's eyes.

it would have been intercepted by Levy even IF Suh hadn't tipped it. look at the NFL network's end zone angle and you get an incredibly clear picture of things, and also incredibly clear that Jay should NOT have thrown that ball into triple friggin' coverage! what he should have done, since it was 2nd down, is throw it out of the damn stadium, or at least looked right as soon as he "read" the Lions' D.

not every play call is perfect, but a QB who has been in the league as long as Jay has should be able to process that situation, know to just throw it away rather than force it in there. it would have been 3rd down and the offense gets another shot, and at least would have preserved 3 pts.

but with Jay, particularly in the red zone, this kind of result happens too often to be considered elite.

 

[KittiesKorner]

I am looking forward to simple minds playing at Pierogi Fest in 2014!

 

[discplayer]

Because Cutler was obviously hurt. Not sure why they kept him in while he was limited, but obviously the coaching staff believes in an injured Cutler over a healthy McCown.

and that'll learn 'em!

 

[discplayer]

i still want cutler to play against the ravens. He can make throws with an injured groin that mccown, in my opinion from watching him play, would struggle to make.

Example, that 1st TD throw to brandon marshall was a fucking laser. Basically what i'm saying is Cutty can make more throws than mccown which stresses opponents D more.

except that Jay's turnovers (which he ALWAYS HAS) stresses OUR defense more!

who cares if he can make incredible throws. it's the throws he SHOULDN'T make that are so costly!