Louis Riddick on Justin, OC, the Bears Draft Situation etc.

[Discus fish salesman]

Absolutely not, they were the 2nd worst team two years ago, got Stroud and basically kept the same roster and now look.

The roster had over 50% turnover and added significant contributors to every unit on the team

John Harris breaks down all the Houston Texans roster changes since March, heading into the 2023 season.

 

[modo]

His passer rating stayed basically the same (85->86) and his QBR decline by 10 points from 22 to 23.

Statistically, he was pretty much the same from 22 to 23. YPA, TD:INT, total yards up a bit because of more attempts.

QBR is subjective

Passer rating has improved, yards per game improved, completion percentage, total yards per game

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Fields isn’t Jay.

How about Steve Young? He was a dual threat QB that floundered around until he received proper coaching and had a real group of weapons. He’s a much better comparison than Jay Cutler.

On the very surface it's decent comp but you have to objectively look at what is holding both back. In fields case he's very methodical going though his progressions, his drop backs can look lazy at times, his angular release, and his complete lack of confidence in throwing in braking routes at the first level. The latter is the biggest red flag for me as you have to anticipate your guy winning and it's usually a tight window throw. A staple throw in any West Coast based offense. The passing charts do not lie and opposing defensive coordinators know they don't have to make a concerted effort guarding the middle of the field.

The kid is gun shy because he had a ton of turnovers early in his career over the middle, tipped balls etc. I don't know if that can be coached out of him at this point.

On the flip side, he doesn't have a problem throwing over the middle at the 2nd and 3rd layer because he can see the guys coming open.

 

[PrideisBears]

The roster had over 50% turnover and added significant contributors to every unit on the team

John Harris breaks down all the Houston Texans roster changes since March, heading into the 2023 season.

All nobodies

 

[Discus fish salesman]

All nobodies

So sarcasm then, good. I was worried you believed what you were saying

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

QBR is subjective

Passer rating has improved, yards per game improved, completion percentage, total yards per game

Yards per carry down. TD’s down.

 

[dennehy]

QBR is subjective

Passer rating has improved, yards per game improved, completion percentage, total yards per game

They really aren't a statistically significant improvement. Passer rating improved by less than .5%. He threw for more yard, but on way more passes. HIs TD:INT was almost exactly the same.

Also his ypa decreased. If you consider that meaningful improvement, have at it.

That said, I think you can say he showed improvement in aspects like ball security and decision making.

 

[DC]

Thanks—good listen.

It’s fear-based philosophy that will keep the Bears from even trying for greatness, but good listen.

Here’s the deal: A lot of people advocating for “THE HAUL!!” are just assuming all those picks will turn out great. They’re doing the same thing they accuse the Williams supporters of doing.

1) Many of them are assuming you’ll get Marvin Harrison, Jr, plus two future first rounders. There’s almost no possible way that happens. If you trade down far enough to get 2 future 1st rounders, that’s too far down to get MHJ. If you only trade down a spot or two, that’s probably not far enough down to gather 2 future 1st rounders.

2) They’re assuming “THE HAUL!!” is “franchise making”. Let’s play this out: The Bears trade down to, say, the high single digits/low double digits and get 2 future 1st rounders. They use those picks on a DT, an edge rusher and, ok fine, a receiver (I have my doubts).

Fast forward a few years when you actually see the fruits of those picks, using THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. You have a great, young, developing DT, edge rusher and receiver. Meanwhile, by this point, you’re paying Fields $40 million a year, you’ve let JJ go because he’s getting too expensive, and you’re taking offers on DJ because he’s also getting expensive and you already have his young great replacement on your team.

^^Does any of this bring you into Super Bowl contention? Or does it just create a mediocre-team cycle?

And mind you, this is the best case scenario. The more likely scenario is “THE HAUL!!” a few years down the line turns into a couple of good players and a couple of busts. Nice haul. Was it worth it? Meanwhile you’re having to watch Stroud kill it in Houston and Williams potentially killing it in Washington or New England.

You still have a mediocre quarterback who’s 3rd or 4th in your division, but hey, at least you’re 9-8 and didn’t have to take a risk!


Bottom line: “THE HAUL!” is not the guarantee some people think it is. Neither is Williams. I acknowledge that. But I’d like my team to try instead of always being scared.

We’ve seen this team in recent years have all world defenses, Hall of Fame linebackers, All-Pro edge rushers, an offense full of skill position Pro Bowl playmakers.

And where has it gotten them?

You know what they haven’t had? A great quarterback.

I want a great quarterback.

This motherfucker for CCS President.

Enough of the pussy footing! Keep swinging at QB!

 

[playthrough2001]

On the very surface it's decent comp but you have to objectively look at what is holding both back. In fields case he's very methodical going though his progressions, his drop backs can look lazy at times, his angular release, and his complete lack of confidence in throwing in braking routes at the first level. The latter is the biggest red flag for me as you have to anticipate your guy winning and it's usually a tight window throw. A staple throw in any West Coast based offense. The passing charts do not lie and opposing defensive coordinators know they don't have to make a concerted effort guarding the middle of the field.

The kid is gun shy because he had a ton of turnovers early in his career over the middle, tipped balls etc. I don't know if that can be coached out of him at this point.

On the flip side, he doesn't have a problem throwing over the middle at the 2nd and 3rd layer because he can see the guys coming open.

Plus, it’s tough to understate what a hack Getsy was as a play caller and designer.

Last week watching Green Bay and the Rams, I marveled at the route combinations, the motions, and how so many guys were schemed wide open. Plus, both teams had a nice rhythm that you see when an exceptional play caller is pulling the strings.

Slowik was pretty amazing too.

 

[modo]

Yards per carry down. TD’s down.

AY per attempt, net yards per attempt, both up.... int% down, sacks down

also Bears are scoring more points per game which means they are getting better in the red zone

 

[PrideisBears]

Yards per carry down. TD’s down.

Ints and sacks down too but tbf he missed a month of action. So more positives than negatives?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Ints and sacks down too but tbf he missed a month of action. So more positives than negatives?

I’m just pointing out the negatives too since those weren’t mentioned.

I do think he’s improved. Although not as much as some would suggest

 

[modo]

I am not advocating either way....on this...

I'd just like to point out the Fields isnt the bust that people want to make him out to be and its not auto pop a quarter in the QB draft and get a winning QB...

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

This motherfucker for CCS President.

Enough of the pussy footing! Keep swinging at QB!

OK that hurts….

 

[DC]

Ints and sacks down too but tbf he missed a month of action. So more positives than negatives?

Sad we have to debate and even ask this question.

 

[modo]

Ints and sacks down too but tbf he missed a month of action. So more positives than negatives?

net yards per attempt takes into account sacks and that is up...

 

[DC]

OK that hurts….

Hey Bub, this is America. I can always vote twice.

Send me the ballot!

 

[dennehy]

AY per attempt, net yards per attempt, both up.... int% down, sacks down

also Bears are scoring more points per game which means they are getting better in the red zone

Could also mean they have better players across the offense. Those stats don't just reflect Fields.

 

[modo]

Could also mean they have better players across the offense. Those stats don't just reflect Fields.

So the QB is getting better in most measureable categories and that may be affected by getting some better talent on offense...

you don't say

 

[PrideisBears]

Sad we have to debate and even ask this question.

It’s not a debate, you’re stupid if you didn’t see improvement