Louis Riddick on Justin, OC, the Bears Draft Situation etc.

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You could make an argument that they want the "perfect" staff for either Williams or Fields, but Riddick has a point that they did not like what the staff did during the games, and I would agree either way.
If you believe Poles when he says he wants to build through the draft and the fact that they fired the entire offensive staff
it isn't much of a stretch to think they feel the lack of more improvement by Fields has a lot to do with coaching and scheme.
If that's the thinking and they do want to build through the draft they keep Fields and get picks in buckets.
 

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It’s not a debate, you’re stupid if you didn’t see improvement
Coming off the heels of Cutler, Trubisky and I don't know, decades of failure, the leash is definitely shorter for Fields and it should be. Getsy did him no favors, but the improvement isn't enough IMO to waste the opportunity to take a swing at another QB at #1. This "improvement" is marginal at best, and still resulted in no playoffs and ass whoopings to bookend the season.

I hope the Bears give this young man a fresh opportunity somewhere else. He deserves it. And if you don't see that, you're stupid.
 

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If you believe Poles when he says he wants to build through the draft and the fact that they fired the entire offensive staff
it isn't much of a stretch to think they feel the lack of more improvement by Fields has a lot to do with coaching and scheme.
If that's the thinking and they do want to build through the draft they keep Fields and get picks in buckets.
Definitely a possibility
 

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Coming off the heels of Cutler, Trubisky and I don't know, decades of failure, the leash is definitely shorter for Fields and it should be. Getsy did him no favors, but the improvement isn't enough IMO to waste the opportunity to take a swing at another QB at #1. This "improvement" is marginal at best, and still resulted in no playoffs and ass whoopings to bookend the season.

I hope the Bears give this young man a fresh opportunity somewhere else. He deserves it. And if you don't see that, you're stupid.
Who's leash

Cutler and Trubisky have nothing to do with Fields
 

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Who's leash

Cutler and Trubisky have nothing to do with Fields
Is this a question? The fans, the bros on this board who incessantly debate this topic? The culture? Bears brass? Are you suggesting that recent failures and decisions don't impact future decisions?

Shit, actually, nevermind, we're Bears fans. I should know better.
 

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Thanks—good listen.

It’s fear-based philosophy that will keep the Bears from even trying for greatness, but good listen.

Here’s the deal: A lot of people advocating for “THE HAUL!!” are just assuming all those picks will turn out great. They’re doing the same thing they accuse the Williams supporters of doing.

1) Many of them are assuming you’ll get Marvin Harrison, Jr, plus two future first rounders. There’s almost no possible way that happens. If you trade down far enough to get 2 future 1st rounders, that’s too far down to get MHJ. If you only trade down a spot or two, that’s probably not far enough down to gather 2 future 1st rounders.

2) They’re assuming “THE HAUL!!” is “franchise making”. Let’s play this out: The Bears trade down to, say, the high single digits/low double digits and get 2 future 1st rounders. They use those picks on a DT, an edge rusher and, ok fine, a receiver (I have my doubts).

Fast forward a few years when you actually see the fruits of those picks, using THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. You have a great, young, developing DT, edge rusher and receiver. Meanwhile, by this point, you’re paying Fields $40 million a year, you’ve let JJ go because he’s getting too expensive, and you’re taking offers on DJ because he’s also getting expensive and you already have his young great replacement on your team.

^^Does any of this bring you into Super Bowl contention? Or does it just create a mediocre-team cycle?

And mind you, this is the best case scenario. The more likely scenario is “THE HAUL!!” a few years down the line turns into a couple of good players and a couple of busts. Nice haul. Was it worth it? Meanwhile you’re having to watch Stroud kill it in Houston and Williams potentially killing it in Washington or New England.

You still have a mediocre quarterback who’s 3rd or 4th in your division, but hey, at least you’re 9-8 and didn’t have to take a risk!


Bottom line: “THE HAUL!” is not the guarantee some people think it is. Neither is Williams. I acknowledge that. But I’d like my team to try instead of always being scared.

We’ve seen this team in recent years have all world defenses, Hall of Fame linebackers, All-Pro edge rushers, an offense full of skill position Pro Bowl playmakers.

And where has it gotten them?

You know what they haven’t had? A great quarterback.

I want a great quarterback.
No one knows what Poles decides but if he does solid research and analysis and gets it wrong it means he
made a tragic mistake not that he was scared. That would be if did a knee jerk decision.
 

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So the QB is getting better in most measureable categories and that may be affected by getting some better talent on offense...

you don't say
Getting better in most measurable categories, alright. If he keeps improving at that rate he'll be above average by 2035.

And all he'll need is several more DJ Moore caliber players!

There really isn't much of a statistical argument for keeping Fields from looking at 22-> 23. That's my point.
 

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Is this a question? The fans, the bros on this board who incessantly debate this topic? The culture? Are you suggesting that recent failures and decisions don't impact future decisions?

Shit, actually, nevermind, we're Bears fans. I should know better.


I don't think the Bears staff would dump Fields simply because Trubisky and Cutler didn't amount to what some previous staff hoped for...
 

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As long as we can develop a top 10 OL and top 10 receiving core then Fields can be above average. 1:50 left in the game, 80 yards from the end zone, and down by 5, do you think Fields can get it done? He has not shown it after three years, but we are to believe it will happen. Plus, we can trade for a “haul” because Williams is so highly valued, but we should pass on him.
 

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I don't think the Bears staff would dump Fields simply because Trubisky and Cutler didn't amount to what some previous staff hoped for...
Shit is riveting, there is no debate about that at least. I'm more focused on Bears brass/family in regards to your comment about 'previous staff.'
 

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Nobody is advocating for the Bears to stop trying to get better after drafting Caleb Williams.
I didn’t say that, I said QB overcomes everything. Look at Stroud!
 

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I don't think the Bears staff would dump Fields simply because Trubisky and Cutler didn't amount to what some previous staff hoped for...
Trubisky was never going to understand an NFL offense.

Cutler was destroyed by Lovie and Angelo for not getting the right Offense staff to fix his flaws or the help he needed when you put Hester as no#1 WR. Also traded Olsen.

Emery chose poorly by not getting Arians. I feel Emery wanted a yes man at HC. Trestman can scheme good offenses. Just isn’t a leader.

The Bears gotten rid of Culter in 2016. He was here for 8 fucking years. Trubisky for 4 years.

Fields is learning and he hasn’t reached his ceiling yet. Some QBs get lucky and have good coaching in place. There Bears org is not lucky when it comes to finding offense coaching.
 

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Shit is riveting, there is no debate about that at least. I'm more focused on Bears brass/family in regards to your comment about 'previous staff.'
I don't believe the Bears owners, at this point, are dictating which QB to take.
 

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To be fair JF is nothing like Cutler either as a player or a person (no disrespect intended to either of them). There's a risk JF doesn't develop further and, if so, the comparison has a loose basis.

However, the reason this is such a difficult decision for the Bears is JF might improve to where the team can win a SB. The problem is if we're being honest as fans we all hoped to have seen more improvement than we saw in JF this year in particular.

I'm still sold on Fields just because of his mental fortitude but it's not an easy decision to pass on Williams imo.
 

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To be fair JF is nothing like Cutler either as a player or a person (no disrespect intended to either of them). There's a risk JF doesn't develop further and, if so, the comparison has a loose basis.

However, the reason this is such a difficult decision for the Bears is JF might improve to where the team can win a SB. The problem is if we're being honest as fans we all hoped to have seen more improvement than we saw in JF this year in particular.

I'm still sold on Fields just because of his mental fortitude but it's not an easy decision to pass on Williams imo.
As fans we also don't have a complete picture to go on....

We are basically playing Madden
 

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And playing it badly in my case at least!
 
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I don't believe the Bears owners, at this point, are dictating which QB to take.
Disagree 100%. It's the only position that matters the past 30+ years. To each his own.
 
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