Luol Deng aware that he could be traded

[JosMin]

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Synopsis of article -- Tension has grown between Deng and Bulls FO on his stance that he'll postpone surgery on his wrist if it means he misses playing for Britain in the Olympics. He's aware that his names have came up in several trade scenarios.


Thoughts? :thinking:

 

[thechosenone]

They want to trade him to free some salary space and his wrist is only the cause they were looking for.

Deng could have done the surgery THIS season. Instead he played with an injured wrist to help the team. Had he chosen to do the surgery, he would have missed the end of the 2011-12 season. I believe that this would have been more harmful for the Bulls than the start of the 2012-13 season. Nobody would trade one of his best players just because he choose to miss some games in the beginning of a season. There is a more serious reason.

 

[X]

I like Deng. He's a good shooter, great defensively, and a quiet, humble guy.

That being said, he's not a #2 scoring option. And that's what he's been forced to be w/ us. Same w/ Boozer. We've gotta have a 2 guard that can drive, hit open jumpers, and dish the ball...but w/ the money tied up in Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, the right fit probably isn't gonna happen. Eventually, we're going to HAVE to shed some salary.

 

[Tazer4mvp]

He plays a lot of minutes plays good D and If the Bulls are pissed cuz of the olympics that's pretty petty.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I like Deng. He's a good shooter, great defensively, and a quiet, humble guy.

That being said, he's not a #2 scoring option. And that's what he's been forced to be w/ us. Same w/ Boozer. We've gotta have a 2 guard that can drive, hit open jumpers, and dish the ball...but w/ the money tied up in Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, the right fit probably isn't gonna happen. Eventually, we're going to HAVE to shed some salary.

If its all about shedding salary, then id rather shed Boozers contract, not Deng.
Deng is more important to the Bulls than Boozer.

But if Loul Deng is in fact traded, then purhaps Pax can trade him to France.
After all, playing for France for free is more important to Deng than playing for the Bulls for a lot of money.
PLAYING FOR FRANCE IS DENGS 1ST PRIORITY OVER THE BULLS ANYWAY.
He doesn't have to worry about pay, because his face is on there currency already.

 

[JosMin]

PLAYING FOR FRANCE IS DENGS 1ST PRIORITY OVER THE BULLS ANYWAY.

Deng has citizenship in the UK, not France

Also, do you think anyone would give up a lottery pick for Boozer? Get real, SP.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Deng has citizenship in the UK, not France

Also, do you think anyon would give up a lottery pick for Boozer? Get real, SP.

Just amnosty the son of a *****.

 

[JosMin]

Just amnosty the son of a *****.

Unless we're able to deal Noah and and Deng, using the AC clause on Boozer would be pointless. If we're able to shed Noah and Deng (roughly $25 million), then amnesty Boozer ($13 million), we'll be able to extend Gibson, give a QO to Asik, then obtain young talent in the "hypothetical" Deng and Noah trades (Evans, the two lottery picks) will help the team retool on the fly and give Asik and Gibson a chance to pickup more minutes.

 

[sicko]

Deng would be better in a Shane Battier role like with the Heat...4th Option, can come off the bench and can start, plays good Defense, has a nice jumper

but with us, we need him to be a #2 Option and he is just not that type of player so I do think it is time for a change

this is the best draft to move Deng for a Lottery Pick and bring in a young player with a better upside like Lamb or Rivers, we need to upgrade the SG position anyway

I would actually do the Warrior Deal with Deng and the Kings Deal with Noah...as much as I love Noah, him and Asik are basically the SAME PLAYERS, make no sense having two of the same players to be honest, we need a more Offensive Big Man to rotate with Asik or Noah if we keep him

 

[clonetrooper264]

I think that if you could make trades into the high lottery/top 10 using Deng and Noah and also get a serviceable player in return (a la the Evans trades mentioned before) I think it's definitely something that we should consider. After all, it's becoming pretty obvious that this team isn't really a championship team. It's a good team...maybe even a great team, but it's not built for the postseason. Frankly, if we can get some young talent...possibly talent that can blossom, I think it's a lot better for the team in the long run. You're getting guys who can contribute decently right away, and possibly even outproduce the guys you traded for them down the line.

The way I see it, Deng and Noah are good players...they'll get a decent return. They're borderline all stars. Perhaps a team with a high lottery pick is willing to take on that salary in order to gain that veteran presence/leadership that they could provide.

Furthermore, you're freeing up that salary so then you don't have to worry about not being able to get guys because we approach the luxury tax (since that's pretty much the hard cap for this team). So now you have some young, cheap talent (hopefully good talent) to pair with Rose for the next 3-4 years and you have some more money to throw at whoever's out there in free agency or maybe absorb some salary in another trade to get a better player.

Not saying that's necessarily the route that they should go, but it's a possibility that could prove to be a good one in the long run if those picks pan out. :dunno:

 

[clonetrooper264]

Deng would be better in a Shane Battier role like with the Heat...4th Option, can come off the bench and can start, plays good Defense, has a nice jumper

but with us, we need him to be a #2 Option and he is just not that type of player so I do think it is time for a change

this is the best draft to move Deng for a Lottery Pick and bring in a young player with a better upside like Lamb or Rivers, we need to upgrade the SG position anyway

I would actually do the Warrior Deal with Deng and the Kings Deal with Noah...as much as I love Noah, him and Asik are basically the SAME PLAYERS, make no sense having two of the same players to be honest, we need a more Offensive Big Man to rotate with Asik or Noah if we keep him

Deng can be a 3rd option pretty well. He's a consistent scorer in the 15-20 point range. You're right that he's not the type of player we need to be a #2 scorer, but it's not like he's so terrible that he's at Battier's level. He's a starter in this league for probably 25 teams.

And Asik and Noah are not the same player. Noah has about 10294812098521950182592x the offense that Asik has. You can probably count on Noah scoring maybe 7-12 points a night for you. Asik you're lucky if you can get 5. Not to be bashing on Asik, but everything he can do, Noah can do, and probably do better except for probably shot blocking. Asik is a career backup type of center. Noah is definitely starting caliber.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

CloneTrooper is the man :beerbang:

 

[nwfisch]

Cloneer is the man :beerbang:

Fixed

 

[thechosenone]

bullshits

Trading Deng for a #7 pick would be a huge downgrade for the team. I know there are reasons we have to do it but if you really believe that this year's team wasn't a good one because 3/5 starters including our best player were injured and we got eliminated, then expect a slightly worse team next year. I hope if we trade Deng it would be for Tyreke and the #5 pick and not for the #7 pick and Mr nobody.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Fixed

 

[sicko]

Deng can be a 3rd option pretty well. He's a consistent scorer in the 15-20 point range. You're right that he's not the type of player we need to be a #2 scorer, but it's not like he's so terrible that he's at Battier's level. He's a starter in this league for probably 25 teams.

And Asik and Noah are not the same player. Noah has about 10294812098521950182592x the offense that Asik has. You can probably count on Noah scoring maybe 7-12 points a night for you. Asik you're lucky if you can get 5. Not to be bashing on Asik, but everything he can do, Noah can do, and probably do better except for probably shot blocking. Asik is a career backup type of center. Noah is definitely starting caliber.

yeah I think Deng can be a good #3 Option...IF HE IS PLAYING WITH 2 SUPERSTARS! For Example if you was to put Deng with Deron Williams and Dwight Howard on a team, then yeah I think he would do well in a situation like that, but for him to be #3 Option

Nobody is comparing him to Battier, my point is that I think Deng would do well in a Battier type of Role and the way Miami used Battier during their Championship Run

as for Noah, while Noah Offensive is better then Asik...lets be honest, they are good at Rebounding and Defense and Hustling, that is what they do best...but neither of them can ask for the ball in the paint and actually make something happen, Noah can at times but that is not what he is best at

I really don't want to get rid of Noah but for the right deal, I think you would have to consider it then bring in a more OFFENSIVE BIG MAN to rotate with Asik...if we can keep Noah and Asik and get rid of Boozer that would be EVEN BETTER but it seems like that is not possible at the moment because nobody wants Boozer and his Contract

 

[thechosenone]

Like bringing a better C is a piece of cake!!!

Noah must stay. If we don't have to trade him for Howard it would be very difficult to replace him. A strong big man who scores 10 points in his worst night,good defender with 0.75 FT%? There are not so many right now. I know it's kind of lame that there are not so many good Cs in the NBA but Noah is easily a top 10 C right now.

 

[clonetrooper264]

bullshits

Trading Deng for a #7 pick would be a huge downgrade for the team. I know there are reasons we have to do it but if you really believe that this year's team wasn't a good one because 3/5 starters including our best player were injured and we got eliminated, then expect a slightly worse team next year. I hope if we trade Deng it would be for Tyreke and the #5 pick and not for the #7 pick and Mr nobody.

No one's saying trade Deng for #7 and nothing else or whatever pick and some scrub. I'm saying trade Deng for a decent player...maybe even a good player and a lotto pick. That Evans trade is a great example of what I mean. If NO still had Ariza, I would've considered doing something like Deng for him and the #10. Deng's a good enough player that you can get something pretty good in return.

Actually...what pick does Washington have? Maybe we can do a similar deal with Washington...

 

[clonetrooper264]

yeah I think Deng can be a good #3 Option...IF HE IS PLAYING WITH 2 SUPERSTARS! For Example if you was to put Deng with Deron Williams and Dwight Howard on a team, then yeah I think he would do well in a situation like that, but for him to be #3 Option

Nobody is comparing him to Battier, my point is that I think Deng would do well in a Battier type of Role and the way Miami used Battier during their Championship Run

as for Noah, while Noah Offensive is better then Asik...lets be honest, they are good at Rebounding and Defense and Hustling, that is what they do best...but neither of them can ask for the ball in the paint and actually make something happen, Noah can at times but that is not what he is best at

I really don't want to get rid of Noah but for the right deal, I think you would have to consider it then bring in a more OFFENSIVE BIG MAN to rotate with Asik...if we can keep Noah and Asik and get rid of Boozer that would be EVEN BETTER but it seems like that is not possible at the moment because nobody wants Boozer and his Contract

Eh...I think Deng's good enough that even if you have Rose and a guy who's a star (not quite a superstar, but perhaps the next tier of player) he can do just fine. He's way better than Battier offensively. Yeah you can use him in that role, but you're really not using him to his full ability then.

Asik doesn't really hustle nearly as much as Noah does. I'd agree that getting an offensive big man to pair with them would be ideal, but I don't see too many of those on the market at the moment. If there's a decent option via draft, I'd consider it. I'll admit, I know next to nothing about most of the guys in this year's draft so if someone tells me that one of these big men is gonna be a legit offensive guy, I'd definitely think about trading Noah for a pick to get that guy and some throw in.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Like bringing a better C is a piece of cake!!!

Noah must stay. If we don't have to trade him for Howard it would be very difficult to replace him. A strong big man who scores 10 points in his worst night,good defender with 0.75 FT%? There are not so many right now. I know it's kind of lame that there are not so many good Cs in the NBA but Noah is easily a top 10 C right now.

I'm not sure who you're referring to, but it certainly doesn't seem like Noah. Noah might average 10 points per game, but his worst night is probably 0 points lol.