Luther Burden Breakdown

[Discus fish salesman]

Booker will be fine.
They also signed a solid cog and drafted one.

2 guys replace Walker and Taylor and Book gets better.

Garrett could still be an option if necessary.


I am as confused as you are about why they traded down from 61 instead of Edge.
I had fears Poles would avoid blocking Booker and it appears that happened.

What does this mean?

Garrett? As in myles? Who just signed the largest ever extension for a de?

Traded down from 61?

Booker is bad until he shows he's added bulk and can actually contribute

 

[dennehy]

Maybe that is not what he was asked to do nor how Missouri ran their offense?

I tend to have more faith in guys who did this for a living on the versatility of a player than just reading random posts on the internet especially selecting in the 2nd round. I trust Ben Johnson and Randle-El to make those observations and they clearly feel he has a lot of versatility.

Even if that wasn't true, not all players need to be WR1 talent. I do not think that is the argument here. I think the argument is could this kid be a contributor right away (yes) and could he eventually make DJ Moore expendable (maybe) down the road? That 12 Group is going to be fun to watch this year regardless.

Well of course coaches know more, but they also aren't infallible. Most of them fail. Lots of GMS passed on him despite his talent.

It's fine to have faith in him, I'm jut pointing out some things that concern me. If you disagree with my analysis of his film, happy to hear why.

 

[dennehy]

The in breaking route thing is weird to me because burden is physical and doesn't shy away from contact, so I wonder if the qb was not comfortable throwing in the middle of the field therefore they designed the offense that way?

I dont see a reason to believe he just can't run in breaking routes.

It is weird, not sure what's up with that, but I do count it as a data point.

 

[modo]

Let me blow your mind: LB3 at RB.

…no…

 

[Xplosive]

my concern with Burden(aside from the taking plays off) is that he never produced against the good defenses he faced in college

he was the classic bumslayer

LSU defense wasn't bad and he had 150yds against them in 2023. As a sophomore in the SEC he had 1200yds receiving and averaged 14 per catch on a team with few talented players.

In his senior year the QB went from 66% completions the year before to 62% and from 3400 yds to 2500 yds passing. Nearly everyone around the team said it wasn't Burden's fault his numbers were so unimpressive his junior year.

 

[WookieOnRitalin]

Comparing College Careers ranking worst seasons to best seasons....

DJ Moore (4.42):
25 Receptions, 357 yds, 3 TD
41 Receptions, 637 yds, 6 TD
80 Receptions, 1033 yds, 8 TD

LB3 (4.41):
45 Receptions, 375 yds, 2 TD
61 Receptions, 676 yds, 6 TD
86 Receptions, 1212 yds, 9 TD

 

[remydat]

ill bite...

you point out how the entire teams numbers dropped last year, which is true

but why did Burden fail to perform against any good defenses in 2023 as well then?

he beat up on inferior competition and disappeared against top competition, even in 2023

Small sample. Like how many top Ds does a team play in any given year?

In 2023, he had 149 yards against LSU, 53 against Georgia and 26 against Tennessee. In the Non-conference schedule he had 177 yards against 10-3 Memphis, 114 yards against 9-4 KSU and 15 yards from 11-2 OSU.

So I guess it depends on who you include as top competition. If you limit it to just GA, Tenn and OSU then doesnt look good but if you include LSU, KSU and Memphis then it is 50-50.

 

[remydat]

Looking at his receiving depth chart from 2023, I dont see a guy that struggles over the middle or deep. His receiving grades intermediate and deep Left and Middle were 90 and above albeit in a small sample size. Seems he wasnt used much on the right side but he caught 63% of passes 20+ yards and 61% intermediate left and middle.

 

[knoxville7]

So did Brady Cook...

Let's take the Georgia game. Burden broke for a 39 yarder in the first quarter. Then Cook could not get him the ball the rest of the game because Georgia took Burden out of the game and forced Cook to throw elsewhere which led to two picks.

I do not take that as an indictment against Burden, but against either the coordinator not figuring out how to get their best wideout the ball or a QB who cracked under the pressure. And again, we're talking about a QB who is not highly regarded in Cook.

lol you’re acting like cook was some bum

Reality is, he’s 3rd all time in the schools passing yards for a career. He’s not some nobody QB that was throwing to burden

And so, you cannot give a game against an actual good defense where burden played really well. All you can do is give excuses about the QB. You make it out to be only the QB struggled against good defenses. Like both can struggle, you realize right?

Also, not every game against good defenses did cook struggle

 

[knoxville7]

LSU defense wasn't bad and he had 150yds against them in 2023. As a sophomore in the SEC he had 1200yds receiving and averaged 14 per catch on a team with few talented players.

In his senior year the QB went from 66% completions the year before to 62% and from 3400 yds to 2500 yds passing. Nearly everyone around the team said it wasn't Burden's fault his numbers were so unimpressive his junior year.

Yes that LSU defense was atrocious. Go look at their points allowed that year per game

 

[knoxville7]

Small sample. Like how many top Ds does a team play in any given year?

In 2023, he had 149 yards against LSU, 53 against Georgia and 26 against Tennessee. In the Non-conference schedule he had 177 yards against 10-3 Memphis, 114 yards against 9-4 KSU and 15 yards from 11-2 OSU.

So I guess it depends on who you include as top competition. If you limit it to just GA, Tenn and OSU then doesnt look good but if you include LSU, KSU and Memphis then it is 50-50.

LSU, KSU, and Memphis all had bad defenses that year

Thanks


@bamainatlanta care to chime in on the 2023 LSU tiger defense? Or lack thereof that year

 

[TL1961]

He's going to come in Red Hot!

 

[CTA_employee9]

Seeing the hands of Bobby Engram, the heart of Tyson Bagent, and the first name of Luther Vandross. Looking forward to his ascension to all pro status.

 

[--CyBear--]

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[Dumpster Fire]

His change of direction looks incredible to me. Can’t wait to see him take the ball to the house for the first time. Reminds me of the Human Joystick in terms of elusiveness.

 

[--CyBear--]

For me this is about him wanting to play and coaching. His college coach is still vouching for him and I have faith in this staff. The young man has the tangibles and no one that knows him has questioned his desire. That he had a meh year is why he's here. If he had a better one he would have been gone. You could want that but then you better also want a higher pick.

 

[The Apostate]

Comparing College Careers ranking worst seasons to best seasons....

DJ Moore (4.42):
25 Receptions, 357 yds, 3 TD
41 Receptions, 637 yds, 6 TD
80 Receptions, 1033 yds, 8 TD

LB3 (4.41):
45 Receptions, 375 yds, 2 TD
61 Receptions, 676 yds, 6 TD
86 Receptions, 1212 yds, 9 TD

FWIW if we're just comparing college stats, how about this guy?

Receiving	Rushing	Scrimmage
Season	Team	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Y/G	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Y/G	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD	Awards
2015*	Memphis	American	SO	WR	12	47	694	14.8	5	57.8	9	54	6.0	2	4.5	56	748	13.4	7
2016*	Memphis	American	JR	WR	13	95	1434	15.1	14	110.3	12	69	5.8	1	5.3	107	1503	14.0	15
2017*	Memphis	American	SR	WR	13	96	1462	15.2	18	112.5	10	25	2.5	0	1.9	106	1487	14.0	18	AA
Career		38	238	3590	15.1	37	94.5	31	148	4.8	3	3.9	269	3738	13.9	40

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Well over 1400 yards and 18 touchdowns his senior year. Junior year was 1434 yards and 14 touchdowns.

If we don't remember this was our own Anthony Miller. First round talent UDFA attitude.

Not saying LB3 is now or ever will develop into the same kind of player but I believe I'll wait and see before I jump on that particular bandwagon.

 

[msadows]

Ya'll nerds need to just chill

This dude was a top 15 prospect coming out of HS. Top 3 composite. He showed those flashes heavily in college.

This is a guy ben johnson can turn into a fucking star.

I have a lot more confidence in luther turning into a stud than the fucking tight end they drafted #10.

 

[remydat]

LSU, KSU, and Memphis all had bad defenses that year

Thanks

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@bamainatlanta care to chime in on the 2023 LSU tiger defense? Or lack thereof that year

KSU was 29th in the country at 21 PPG so their defense was not bad. LSU was still a top team so wouldnt call them inferior competition or bum slaying even if their D was not great that year especially when you factor in they graduated more players on D to the NFL than the Mizzou did on offense (3 vs 5) the last 2 years.

By contrast OSU and GA both had 10 guys on D drafted the last 2 years so more than 3 times as many. Tough to play against a team with pretty much an NFL caliber player every were on D when the only NFL players on your side are you and 2 OL.

That doesnt mean it isnt a concern. Just means there is a plausible reason why he would struggle beyond his own play. So will just have to see how it pans out in the NFL.

 

[WookieOnRitalin]

FWIW if we're just comparing college stats, how about this guy?

Season	Team	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Y/G	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Y/G	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD	Awards
Receiving	Rushing	Scrimmage
2015*	Memphis	American	SO	WR	12	47	694	14.8	5	57.8	9	54	6.0	2	4.5	56	748	13.4	7
2016*	Memphis	American	JR	WR	13	95	1434	15.1	14	110.3	12	69	5.8	1	5.3	107	1503	14.0	15
2017*	Memphis	American	SR	WR	13	96	1462	15.2	18	112.5	10	25	2.5	0	1.9	106	1487	14.0	18	AA
Career		38	238	3590	15.1	37	94.5	31	148	4.8	3	3.9	269	3738	13.9	40

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Well over 1400 yards and 18 touchdowns his senior year. Junior year was 1434 yards and 14 touchdowns.

If we don't remember this was our own Anthony Miller. First round talent UDFA attitude.

Not saying LB3 is now or ever will develop into the same kind of player but I believe I'll wait and see before I jump on that particular bandwagon.

I posted the comparison because I thought it was crazy similar. Like eerily so.

Anthony Miller could have been a knockout pick had he had his head on straight. The injuries also really derailed his career. It's too bad. Dude was a beast in college.