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This is a big misconception. Christianity was a vast minority among the faiths practiced by the settlers and revolutionaries.

That is extremely debatable and the main point is that our forefathers came here and displaced and often destroyed the indigenous population. And here we are getting this emotionally bent out of shape because people jump the border looking for a better life...
 

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That is extremely debatable and the main point is that our forefathers came here and displaced and often destroyed the indigenous population. And here we are getting this emotionally bent out of shape because people jump the border looking for a better life...

They jump the border and get benefits that people who've been waiting for a green card for years have been dying to get(literally). You want to come to this country? Fine. Do it the same way millions of others did before you. Legally.
 

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i honestly dont think that Obama or any government leaders care to fix the problem of illegal immigration. just make the laws tougher, throw them in jail, make money.
 

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They jump the border and get benefits that people who've been waiting for a green card for years have been dying to get(literally). You want to come to this country? Fine. Do it the same way millions of others did before you. Legally.

Fair enough. I don't think illegal immigration is as big of a problem as people make it out to be though. It is a very complicated issue that varies state-by-state. In some cases, illegal immigrants even help the economy to a certain extent. It's an extremely corrupt system we have in place but it's going to stay that way.
 

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care to enlighten us? lol

First, I have to explain that I do not support the system as is, because, like Uman kindly quoted me, it is a broken system.

But for someone to come into the US from Mexico, who has a currency and cost of living far lesser than ours, need approximately $50,000 in permits to become legal. This is after a lot of legal fees, and some even have some idea of the large fees, save up, and end up getting taken by border coyotes that traffic them.

We're talking about honest people for the most part. For them to become legal is almost impossible, and for some people, they have little choice as to where they go, because their homes are destroyed because of things that we do in the US to kill their legitimate industries.

We also allow students to get a degree here, but we kick them out after they graduate? Wait a minute, don't we need skilled workers that can help GROW the economy?

Just think of it this way. Put yourself in their situation, would you do it too?

Now get back to being in your situation currently, if you knew that some of our laws and practices create the bad side of immigration, wouldn't you want to fix that first? Such as the so-called drug war that is as corrupt as can be, funds cartel and builds up mobsters allover the borders. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE DON'T WANT, yet, when you're rolling in money from illegal trade, buying the documents is no problem! Sounds ass backwards to me. Giving welfare to people who border jump, in the name of "humanity", those are also the people we don't want. We want everyone to pull their weight, and if they come here, they need to make the effort to live by our rules and culture and learn english. My parents had to learn english, because of them, I had to learn their native language LMAO, but thats how it works, it's not asking too much of someone, even if they are full grown adults, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TWO LANGUAGES ARE DERIVED OFF THE SAME STRUCTURES! LMAO! Spanish<-->English is the easiest transition, so there should be no excuse.

Now we also have this problem with local politicians who allow the human trafficking for farms and factories here. Even where the politicians aren't allowing it, it happens anyways. It just costs WAY to much money to enforce border security to have a 0% illegal immigrant rate, and to which, that takes away our freedoms, makes it harder for us to trade and visit with Mexico, and further takes away from our freedoms.


The simplest solution would be to allow the market to thrive, cut off entitlements, and enforce the taxation on sales. Then we would be begging for them to come here and work. We have the advantage of starting the business because we are established, they don't. There is your cheap and willing labor to get your business off the ground, and compete with the rest of the market. But we need a lot to happen to reach those goals, mainly, is our understanding of the system, and how it punishes the honest immigrants and invites the criminals over.
 

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That is extremely debatable and the main point is that our forefathers came here and displaced and often destroyed the indigenous population. And here we are getting this emotionally bent out of shape because people jump the border looking for a better life...

They did, but the bolded part, Christianity, had nothing to do with it. That is the kind of stuff that you hear from people who try to link all wars to religion.
 

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They did, but the bolded part, Christianity, had nothing to do with it. That is the kind of stuff that you hear from people who try to link all wars to religion.

That is stuff that I've read in text books and heard from teachers in Early American History courses. I was told that paganism was used as a way to demoralize and dehumanize Native Americans politically. And that helped made it socially acceptable to kill/displace Native people for the obvious economic benefits.
 

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First, I have to explain that I do not support the system as is, because, like Uman kindly quoted me, it is a broken system.

But for someone to come into the US from Mexico, who has a currency and cost of living far lesser than ours, need approximately $50,000 in permits to become legal. This is after a lot of legal fees, and some even have some idea of the large fees, save up, and end up getting taken by border coyotes that traffic them.


We're talking about honest people for the most part. For them to become legal is almost impossible, and for some people, they have little choice as to where they go, because their homes are destroyed because of things that we do in the US to kill their legitimate industries.

We also allow students to get a degree here, but we kick them out after they graduate? Wait a minute, don't we need skilled workers that can help GROW the economy?

Just think of it this way. Put yourself in their situation, would you do it too?

Now get back to being in your situation currently, if you knew that some of our laws and practices create the bad side of immigration, wouldn't you want to fix that first? Such as the so-called drug war that is as corrupt as can be, funds cartel and builds up mobsters allover the borders. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE DON'T WANT, yet, when you're rolling in money from illegal trade, buying the documents is no problem! Sounds ass backwards to me. Giving welfare to people who border jump, in the name of "humanity", those are also the people we don't want. We want everyone to pull their weight, and if they come here, they need to make the effort to live by our rules and culture and learn english. My parents had to learn english, because of them, I had to learn their native language LMAO, but thats how it works, it's not asking too much of someone, even if they are full grown adults, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TWO LANGUAGES ARE DERIVED OFF THE SAME STRUCTURES! LMAO! Spanish<-->English is the easiest transition, so there should be no excuse.

Now we also have this problem with local politicians who allow the human trafficking for farms and factories here. Even where the politicians aren't allowing it, it happens anyways. It just costs WAY to much money to enforce border security to have a 0% illegal immigrant rate, and to which, that takes away our freedoms, makes it harder for us to trade and visit with Mexico, and further takes away from our freedoms.


The simplest solution would be to allow the market to thrive, cut off entitlements, and enforce the taxation on sales. Then we would be begging for them to come here and work. We have the advantage of starting the business because we are established, they don't. There is your cheap and willing labor to get your business off the ground, and compete with the rest of the market. But we need a lot to happen to reach those goals, mainly, is our understanding of the system, and how it punishes the honest immigrants and invites the criminals over.

First Bold: If they dont have the money to do it, then dont come here...that is my stance....i understand they dont have money because of our industries, but not being able to afford it shouldnt give them a free pass (see the hundreds of thousands of kids who cant attend college due to money problems...are they just handed a diploma?)

2nd Bold: Correct...those are the ones we dont want...it really pisses me off when I go to walmart and see a hispanic family with 3 able bodied men who could be working cutting Welfare checks to the cashier, and then buying alcohol with what money they have (granted, the job market is slim for everyone)

3rd bolded: The whole "cheap labor" thing is a big problem here...it takes away jobs from american workers and goes to illegals who dont pay taxes...lost money for the govt
 

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That is stuff that I've read in text books and heard from teachers in Early American History courses. I was told that paganism was used as a way to demoralize and dehumanize Native Americans politically. And that helped made it socially acceptable to kill/displace Native people for the obvious economic benefits.

I'm sure it played a role. When it was all set and done, those that reflected on their murders did not want to "meet their maker," so-to speak with a dirty conscious. Of course they looked for excuses to justify it, re-writing their own beliefs to do so, but during the time of the actual fighting, it was all about power and peace. Peace in the sense that is opposite of what peace truly is.
 

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First Bold: If they dont have the money to do it, then dont come here...that is my stance....i understand they dont have money because of our industries, but not being able to afford it shouldnt give them a free pass (see the hundreds of thousands of kids who cant attend college due to money problems...are they just handed a diploma?)

2nd Bold: Correct...those are the ones we dont want...it really pisses me off when I go to walmart and see a hispanic family with 3 able bodied men who could be working cutting Welfare checks to the cashier, and then buying alcohol with what money they have (granted, the job market is slim for everyone)

3rd bolded: The whole "cheap labor" thing is a big problem here...it takes away jobs from american workers and goes to illegals who dont pay taxes...lost money for the govt


Again, put yourself in their shoes. They are going to A.) Make the decision that makes the most sense to them. B.) Take a tremendous risk, because it's still better than their current situation.

Comparing a life where people are slayed, raped, and drugs run rampant to someone without access to college is a joke. Sorry tbo, that's not even close.

You're proud to have a Serbian background, but why don't you go back? Because you know its better here. Why did your family come here? Were they lucky that the immigration laws just so happened to be better for them? Why was it okay for them, but not someone else? Well, I'm white, but I know for sure part of this has been due to racism. Who created this, those who ignored our own Constitution and Declaration of Independence. All this time of gang wars, racial tension, slavery, affirmative action and inequality could have all been drastically minimized if we actually learned from our mistakes and the government followed its own rules! We are all people from allover the world, even the natives were settlers!

IMO the #1 problem with associating people to problems, is applying a form of collectivism. That each person belongs in a group. They are not fully allowed to be an individual with their own ideas, traditions, beliefs, and peaceful lifestyle. Because they are illegals, makes them worse than US born people somehow. Because they are all ONE, of one group, or of two groups, and all of their situation is the same.


And re#3. Cheap labor is fine if someone is willing. Cheap labor = unskilled labor. With experience, you become skilled, your output goes up and so does your wage. It's very simple. The idea that those jobs are taken away from Americans is a fallacy. If you increase the population, you increase the demand, no matter what you create jobs, for as long as it's not population feeding off the welfare state. If anything, welfare is like a subsidy for people to make more babies!!! Then you apply welfare economics on the top of more welfare economics, that's where people really start to hate immigrants. Also, cheap labor = lower cost for goods, and we all benefit from lower costs for goods.
 

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Again, put yourself in their shoes. They are going to A.) Make the decision that makes the most sense to them. B.) Take a tremendous risk, because it's still better than their current situation.

Comparing a life where people are slayed, raped, and drugs run rampant to someone without access to college is a joke. Sorry tbo, that's not even close.

You're proud to have a Serbian background, but why don't you go back? Because you know its better here. Why did your family come here? Were they lucky that the immigration laws just so happened to be better for them? Why was it okay for them, but not someone else? Well, I'm white, but I know for sure part of this has been due to racism. Who created this, those who ignored our own Constitution and Declaration of Independence. All this time of gang wars, racial tension, slavery, affirmative action and inequality could have all been drastically minimized if we actually learned from our mistakes and the government followed its own rules! We are all people from allover the world, even the natives were settlers!

IMO the #1 problem with associating people to problems, is applying a form of collectivism. That each person belongs in a group. They are not fully allowed to be an individual with their own ideas, traditions, beliefs, and peaceful lifestyle. Because they are illegals, makes them worse than US born people somehow. Because they are all ONE, of one group, or of two groups, and all of their situation is the same.


And re#3. Cheap labor is fine if someone is willing. Cheap labor = unskilled labor. With experience, you become skilled, your output goes up and so does your wage. It's very simple. The idea that those jobs are taken away from Americans is a fallacy. If you increase the population, you increase the demand, no matter what you create jobs, for as long as it's not population feeding off the welfare state. If anything, welfare is like a subsidy for people to make more babies!!! Then you apply welfare economics on the top of more welfare economics, that's where people really start to hate immigrants. Also, cheap labor = lower cost for goods, and we all benefit from lower costs for goods.

My grandparents came here as refugees of world war II...they were forced out of their countries, and the US was one of the few countries who accepted them. they didnt jump aboard a ship headed here and sneak in...they became legal citizens

And what does me not going back to serbia have anything to do with this?
I am currently trying to obtain a serbian passport as well as a german one so that i can go back there to work and live after school
 

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My grandparents came here as refugees of world war II...they were forced out of their countries, and the US was one of the few countries who accepted them. they didnt jump aboard a ship headed here and sneak in...they became legal citizens

And what does me not going back to serbia have anything to do with this?
I am currently trying to obtain a serbian passport as well as a german one so that i can go back there to work and live after school

The whole point is that people are opportunists. You want your life to be better, you decide what is best for you, and you take that risk. The same happens with the immigration in this country. Just because Mexico is conveniently at our border, and because each area down there has no officially recognized war, doesn't mean their situation is better than that of your family tree.

And BTW, I drove through Serbia in the 90s on one of my "euro trips". I am REALLY glad that at least a part of the nation is recovering now. You'll enjoy the visit. Germany too, but so many germans have become such prudes of late, IDK WTF happened LOL. If you get a chance, visit Denmark, go to Copenhagen, that is the most under appreciated city in Europe, and it's absolutely warm and welcoming to all people.
 

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The whole point is that people are opportunists. You want your life to be better, you decide what is best for you, and you take that risk. The same happens with the immigration in this country. Just because Mexico is conveniently at our border, and because each area down there has no officially recognized war, doesn't mean their situation is better than that of your family tree.

And BTW, I drove through Serbia in the 90s on one of my "euro trips". I am REALLY glad that at least a part of the nation is recovering now. You'll enjoy the visit. Germany too, but so many germans have become such prudes of late, IDK WTF happened LOL. If you get a chance, visit Denmark, go to Copenhagen, that is the most under appreciated city in Europe, and it's absolutely warm and welcoming to all people.

I guess thats true...i guess at the end of the day it pisses me off that my relatives had to pay those amounts and go through the naturalization processes and i see people everyday who took the easy way out (im talking border hoppers, not refugees)


yea, serbia was really fucked up during the war, and it is slowly rebuilding :)

Im actually hopefully going to do some study abroad in germany soon
 

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Haha, I have to also remind myself that you live in the most hostile state of the US, as far as immigration goes. A lot of what you see is truly the negatives of a corrupt political system(am I a broken record with my distrust in current establishment yet!)
 

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Haha, I have to also remind myself that you live in the most hostile state of the US, as far as immigration goes. A lot of what you see is truly the negatives of a corrupt political system(am I a broken record with my distrust in current establishment yet!)

lmao....just a quick question...

what is your take on the proposed Senate Bill 1070 that Arizona tried to pass?
 

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Make them earn citizenship or deport their assess...
 

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lmao....just a quick question...

what is your take on the proposed Senate Bill 1070 that Arizona tried to pass?

Pro or anti-illegals, it wouldn't help lower the numbers in the US, or even if all 50 states passed something similar, it wouldn't help the problem. The only thing it does, is allow the government to spend your tax money to enforce something extra. This means new contracts, follow that money and I bet those that are awarded the contracts to enforce this type of law, are all linked to campaign contributions. So you have 1.) A broken system to begin with 2.) A Pork Project hidden within a socially engineered solution, and 3.) The enforcers don't do their jobs, 4.) you get stuck paying for it ANYWAYS! and 5.) It backfires, creates bigger black markets, and it makes it even MORE expensive for immigrants to come here legally. You scare away good people.
 

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Make them earn citizenship or deport their assess...

You can pool with all of the others that want the heavily in-debt governments of this country to pay for enforcing all of that. Just don't make me pay for it, because I want to keep more of my money and try to spread peace instead :)
 

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