Marc Trestman VS Chip Kelly

[Broc]

You can argue that things will wear on towards the end of the year, but to date there's nothing that suggests that a faster pace of play leads to more injures.

It might not lead to more injuries but it sure as hell looks like it leads to more mistakes. It seems like the faster they try to play the sloppier they get.

I don't think Chip's approach is very sound IMO. Sure maybe college ball can be purely boiled down to "plays run" but NFL ball is about "play execution" if you ask me. Playing at a super fast tempo and running 100 plays a game isn't going to get the Eagles very far if the players are playing sloppy ball making tons of mental and physical mistakes.

So far I give the edge to Trestman's approach. He's not trying to do anything ground breaking or revolutionize the game like Chip, he's just applying a basic common sense approach (ie - start conservative in game 1 and get Cutler confidence in his OL, etc) and calling plays to fit the given situation and coverage. Again, nothing ground breaking, just basic common sense. Something this franchise has been sorely lacking on the offensive side of the ball for years.

IMO you win in the NFL with smart coaching (ie - winning the coaching chess match to put your players in positions to be successful as often as you can during the games), and then it's all execution by the players to make the plays when the coaches put them in those advantageous positions.

And personally I don't think having your team running around like crazy after each play & before each play trying to run 100 read option plays a game equates to "winning the coaching chess match". I'll be very interested to see how the Eagles evolve further into Chips tenure. I wonder how many more games like Monday the Philly fans will tolerate before they get sick of Chip's approach.

 

[HeHateMe]

Vick my die...

 

[Monster]

That's a bit of an overreaction. They had a 6 turnover game. Weather it was Reid coming back or them playing 3 game in 11 days or them just not being ready, emotionally they weren't into it and had a bad game and one that should be considered the low point, not the norm.

I don't think so... Last week the D couldn't stop anything... they played much better this week...
Reid knew not to play zone against them... the line due to the possible run has to move out for blocks exposing Vick... who was sacked 4.5 times by one guy and just missed getting hit at least another half dozen times... he won't survive the season... won't make the by week unless they change... and if they change they will not be different anymore... just another offense... that has to protect the QB...
I gave it a look... and admit week one was fun as hell... but I think pro Ds are just too good for this to work... The fans and team will loss faith very soon too...

 

[Pegger]

It might not lead to more injuries but it sure as hell looks like it leads to more mistakes. It seems like the faster they try to play the sloppier they get.

I don't think Chip's approach is very sound IMO. Sure maybe college ball can be purely boiled down to "plays run" but NFL ball is about "play execution" if you ask me. Playing at a super fast tempo and running 100 plays a game isn't going to get the Eagles very far if the players are playing sloppy ball making tons of mental and physical mistakes.

So far I give the edge to Trestman's approach. He's not trying to do anything ground breaking or revolutionize the game like Chip, he's just applying a basic common sense approach (ie - start conservative in game 1 and get Cutler confidence in his OL, etc) and calling plays to fit the given situation and coverage. Again, nothing ground breaking, just basic common sense. Something this franchise has been sorely lacking on the offensive side of the ball for years.

IMO you win in the NFL with smart coaching (ie - winning the coaching chess match to put your players in positions to be successful as often as you can during the games), and then it's all execution by the players to make the plays when the coaches put them in those advantageous positions.

And personally I don't think having your team running around like crazy after each play & before each play trying to run 100 read option plays a game equates to "winning the coaching chess match". I'll be very interested to see how the Eagles evolve further into Chips tenure. I wonder how many more games like Monday the Philly fans will tolerate before they get sick of Chip's approach.

Last nigth was a very bad game. Looking at the turnovers they had a fumble on punt return (not offense related), a botched shotgun snap (again, not offense related), 2 picks (both horrible, late throws behind the receiver) and another weak fumble by Vick (he did that in the WCO as well).

Right now they have 7 turnovers through 3 games (2.33/gm). Before that game they had 2 turnovers in 2 games (1/gm). The Bears had 5 turnovers in 2 games (2.5/game).

 

[Pegger]

I don't think so... Last week the D couldn't stop anything... they played much better this week...
Reid knew not to play zone against them... the line due to the possible run has to move out for blocks exposing Vick... who was sacked 4.5 times by one guy and just missed getting hit at least another half dozen times... he won't survive the season... won't make the by week unless they change... and if they change they will not be different anymore... just another offense... that has to protect the QB...
I gave it a look... and admit week one was fun as hell... but I think pro Ds are just too good for this to work... The fans and team will loss faith very soon too...

RE: Sacks - Vick has always taken sacks and has trouble getting the ball out quickly. He reverted back to his old self as opposed to following the offense and make quick decisions.

RE: D couldn't stop anything - Actually the D played well for about 3 quarters. Think about it. Eagles had 5 turnovers and the Chiefs had 0 and they only gave up 26 points. That's not too shabby. I'd agree they have been bad this year, but if you watched them last year that was too be expected. They just aren't that good on that side of the ball.

RE: Vick won't survive - When has ever? The system won't get an injury prone player any more hurt. Protection is only 1/2 the issue with Vick. He creates many of his own sacks (also a critism of Cutler at times when he holds on to the ball too long).

RE: Pro D's - I look at the errors made in last night's game and I don't feel it's specific to the system. For example, if the Bears turn the ball over a bunch this week it's not exclusively on Trestman. Sometimes the players just don't execute. That was the case for the Eagles yesterday on offense.

 

[Monster]

The D not stopping anything me referring to last week...
They played pretty good last night all things considered...
Chip will adjust his system... but then it's not the Oregon thing anymore anyway...
Which is all I'm saying...

 

[ClydeLee]

Currently the Eagles offense through 3 games runs an average of 66 plays per game. To put that in context the Bears on average (2 games) run 63.5 plays per game and the Patriots on average have run 76.5 per game.

So saying it's more plays is just wrong.

That's the intention of the Offense... And the intention if the Pats who've already been doing that for a season before now.

They got rocked by KC who had 40 minutes top; Because of 5 turn turn overs and KC running time.

Do you deny the intent IS to run plays faster? That if done, will cause more time on the clock and more snaps per game to be had.

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[Bearly]

I don't know what Eagles fans you were talking too, but we won 4 games last year and our defence was horrible. We completely changed schemes on both sides of the ball and currently only have some of the players to run a 3-4, so it's a work in progress.

For me if we win 5 games that progress. Anything greater than that is gravy. I'd add the team is very fun to watch. Their D goes form horrible to good and their offense is always high powered. It's either high powered run, high powered pass or high powered turnover...

Anyway, 3 games into a complete rebuild and I'm happy with what I'm seeing.

I hope Trestman never calls that 2 point conversion.

 

[jc456]

And why would I listen to someone who is trying to be a tough guy online?

Hahahahaha he's a hypocrite.

 

[ursamajor]

This is just a horrible, horrible poll.

1 - Totally different players, so you just can't cut/paste with a different cast and expect things to be the same.
2 - Chip Kelly got a five-year contract worth $32.5 million. That's top 5 coach type money. Not sure what Trestman's contract is, but I'm thinking the Bears weren't at the table with that price tag.

Trestman was a good hire for the Bears and Kelly was a good hire for the Eagles. Can't there be two good things happening without one side losing?

Ryan Leaf came into the NFL making more money than Tom Brady did coming into the NFL.

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[iueyedoc]

Last nigth was a very bad game. Looking at the turnovers they had a fumble on punt return (not offense related), a botched shotgun snap (again, not offense related), 2 picks (both horrible, late throws behind the receiver) and another weak fumble by Vick (he did that in the WCO as well).

Right now they have 7 turnovers through 3 games (2.33/gm). Before that game they had 2 turnovers in 2 games (1/gm). The Bears had 5 turnovers in 2 games (2.5/game).

IMO, I don't think the "my hairs on fire" pace Kelly had at Oregon will work in the NFL. At OU he had 105 players, all young and fit, to pull from to sub in and out. On any given Sunday, an NFL team dresses typically 7 O-lineman, 3 of the Eagles starting lineman have 9+ years in the league. You don't think running a frenetically paced no huddle affects these guys? To say the snap fumble was "not offensive related" is just pure denial. That, coupled with Kelly's hubris, so perfectly displayed by his refusal to adapt to the situation at the end of the Chargers game, leads me to believe he will flame out quickly in the NFL.

 

[Xplosive]

Time Of Possesion is a major problem for Chip Kelly's offense. The Eagles are averaging 2 min 08 secs per drive, compare that to what New England and Denver's TOP average per drive was for the 2012 season: NE = 2:43 per drive and DEN = 2:47 per drive.

Now factor in the fact the Peyton Manning and Tom Brady don't throw ton's of interceptions or fumble the ball a lot and the fact that they both have good defenses. Philly's defense will never be any good if they are just as worn out as the opponent that Chip is trying to take advantage of. Meanwhile the Bears are averaging 2:49 per drive which is much more reasonable.