Matt Garza All-star?

[DewsSox79]

It's not an official statistic and it's not a "true" number in that they have to keep fudging the constant to make it look like ERA, but I think it's a more consistent evaluator of individual pitching talent than ERA is. That's what the GMs should be looking at, if they don't have some other, better proprietary metric.

id be willing to bet there is some sweet metric out there that we dont know about

 

[Rice Cube]

id be willing to bet there is some sweet metric out there that we dont know about

I won't be taking that bet :lol:

 

[Jntg4]

FIP assumes that the defense will get to the same number of balls as they do in an average game, but also assume that pitchers aren't consistently giving up rockets that no defender could get to.

 

[Rice Cube]

FIP assumes that the defense will get to the same number of balls as they do in an average game, but also assume that pitchers aren't consistently giving up rockets that no defender could get to.

Yeah, that's why in addition to FIP you have to take into account what kinds of balls are being hit off the pitcher. If he's giving up a lot of ground balls and they're just squeaking through, then he's unlucky. If he's giving up tons of fly balls or liners, that's not really unlucky hehehe

Garza has been good about shifting his approach to induce groundballs, but he's also been extremely lucky so far in terms of giving up homers. He's also giving up about 23% line drives. He's not as good as his FIP indicates.

 

[DewsSox79]

Yeah, that's why in addition to FIP you have to take into account what kinds of balls are being hit off the pitcher. If he's giving up a lot of ground balls and they're just squeaking through, then he's unlucky. If he's giving up tons of fly balls or liners, that's not really unlucky hehehe

Garza has been good about shifting his approach to induce groundballs, but he's also been extremely lucky so far in terms of giving up homers. He's also giving up about 23% line drives. He's not as good as his FIP indicates.

bold 1- weather sir, a lot has to do with the shit weather we have had to start the season. its june 23, expect an increase in homeruns from him.

bold 2- exactly right.

 

[Rice Cube]

bold 1- weather sir, a lot has to do with the shit weather we have had to start the season. its june 23, expect an increase in homeruns from him.

bold 2- exactly right.

I think he's been pitching at some points with the wind blowing out and didn't give up homers because he kept the ball on the ground, but I don't doubt that weather was an issue.

 

[poodski]

you obviously havent studied FIP. It seems you look at FIP as fact and at face value. Cool with me. Just remember FIP is not a stat and is not a true number.

You can call it whatever you want. It's way better than ERA and has been PROVEN to be a better indicator of future ERA than even ERA is.

I mean how is that possible. You can say it isn't a "real" number all you want. As crude of a stat as it is, it is still MILES better than ERA.