McCarthy and heir apparent?

[remydat]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1878943805279543764

Something I hadn't thought about with McCarthy is the idea that he would not call plays but serve more to develop the structure and organization of a team but then defer playcalling to a younger OC.

The above suggests McCarthy keeping Thomas Brown around but in theory he can be paired with any OC candidate including Brian S.

So thoughts on McCarthy being paired with a younger up and coming OC who perhaps after 2-3 years could possibly be elevated to HC? Any up and coming OC candidates it makes sense to pair him with?

 

[1COBearsfan]

Well, I was almost on board with McCarthy but I’m not sure now that Orlovsky is endorsing it. Such conflicted

 

[Les Grossman]

Keeping Thomas Brown doesn't make much sense. What offense does he run? Waldron's? His own? Just bring in a new offense that the HC wants to run?

Brown would have to learn McCarthy's offense anyway.

 

[DC]

I get that take, and it makes sense. However, TB didn't do enough for me. I know he was put in a tough position but he mismanaged games just like the former guy. And he was okay with two thousand screen calls as well. His record sucks.

 

[Szlachcic]

I guess TB as OC would work, as long as the Bears wouldn't force TB on McCarthy. After all he as HC will choose his own staff and is responsible for the whole operation..

edited. To add, TB will learn from McCarthy, and I'm sure anything will go thru the HC.
Not defending TB, but as OC he had no choice but run Waldrons convoluted system because thats was installed during preseason and was to late to change.

 

[zabavka]

@remydat are you related to Thomas Brown or something?

Let it go already

 

[Applefan]

Don't be surprised if former Bears and Packers RB Edgar Bennett gets a role on the staff if MM gets HC job. Bennett is currently LV Rb coach ,but he had been a wr coach before and was Packers OC( did he call plays though?) from 2015-17.

 

[Neckbeard]

Keeping Thomas Brown doesn't make much sense. What offense does he run? Waldron's? His own? Just bring in a new offense that the HC wants to run?

Brown would have to learn McCarthy's offense anyway.

Brown's roots are with the McVay system. TBF to him, he couldn't make big changes to the offense mid season. They only could do tweaks and run plays that were already part of the offense but fit the personnel better than others.

Brown is still fairly inexperienced though. Not even 1 full season of play calling when adding his portions of play calling.

In this McCarthy scenario, it's possible it could work out as McCarthy would still be there to guide the offensive development. It'd probably be solid, but nothing innovative that I could see with a couple other candidates.

 

[Butkus34]

I know people are trying to push continuity and these dipshits that go on tv and say don't get Ben Johnson, we don't want the Bears to be fun, there's no tv drama in that, they should stay away. Hey why not get McCarthy who although a very good HC would be an uninspiring hire, then let's add some drama and they could make Thomas Brown the OC. I had hope with TB and thought he did good for the circumstance. Yet, like Poles and others who saw things were not right, why not speak up, why not speak out? Not speaking up is compliance with what you are witnessing. It would have made headlines and it would have caused drama, but saying and doing nothing was worse.

 

[DefNextYear]

For an OC, I would expect that McCarthy would want someone who runs his offense. That might be Shotty, since they've been together. That could even be TB, though it involves TB learning the book. Or, it can be someone else entirely. Whatever the case, the person has to be ok with running McCarthy's playbook to be sure the offense stays the same should the OC leave. It also gives him the ability to take over playcalling seamlessly if he has to. I'd guess that would be his minimum expectation in anyone coming to his staff.

To address TB specifically, I'm indifferent on having him stay, but my guess is it would be very unlikely. It just seems to rarely work out that way, though I know it does happen from time to time.

 

[jsu34]

I don't get the Brown hate at all. The guy went from passing game coordinator to OC to HC in a matter of weeks.

And he couldn't even run his own system.

While saddled with Waldron's system he had CW improving.

The dumb bears set the whole thing back taking him away from developing CW to coaching the whole team.

So for me the book isn't closed on him.

However, I find it much preferred if any coach hired to be allowed to pick his staff and run his own system.

 

[1COBearsfan]

But seriously, if McCarthy does get hired and he sees promise in Brown then I won’t have a problem with it. Just because he couldn’t overcome Flus/Waldron’s utter garbage doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t be a good coach

 

[Rise]

I don’t want some weird marriage. That sounds just like something the bears would do. Sounds good on paper in reality it’s a mess. If McCarthy has someone he wants to bring in a role like this then sure.

 

[playthrough2001]

I don't get the Brown hate at all. The guy went from passing game coordinator to OC to HC in a matter of weeks.

And he couldn't even run his own system.

While saddled with Waldron's system he had CW improving.

The dumb bears set the whole thing back taking him away from developing CW to coaching the whole team.

So for me the book isn't closed on him.

However, I find it much preferred if any coach hired to be allowed to pick his staff and run his own system.

Brown did the best he could with an awful situation. The guy has a ton of class and the mindset of a winner. I still would not hire him to be the next head coach.

If the next HC wants him on the staff without prodding, I'm fine with that.

 

[remydat]

Well, I was almost on board with McCarthy but I’m not sure now that Orlovsky is endorsing it. Such conflicted

I mean he did have Daniels over Caleb.

 

[baselman1974]

The get Bruce Arians and keep Thomas Brown if that’s the case. No McCarthy.

 

[greg23]

My thoughts are Ryan Clark is an idiot; but I already thought that

 

[1COBearsfan]

I mean he did have Daniels over Caleb.

Hmmmm… very suspicious

 

[remydat]

Keeping Thomas Brown doesn't make much sense. What offense does he run? Waldron's? His own? Just bring in a new offense that the HC wants to run?

Brown would have to learn McCarthy's offense anyway.

Brown and Waldron run variarions of McVay's offense which comes from Shanny's outside zone and Shanny's outside zone is a derivation of Walsh's West Coast offense. McCarthy's O also has West Coast roots via the Holmgren arm of the West Coast Offense. So branches of the same Walsh tree.

As for why it makes sense, continuity as Clark said.

@remydat are you related to Thomas Brown or something?

Let it go already

I didnt bring it up, Ryan Clark did. Hence why I said name your young OC if it isnr Brown. Or you can cry about it instead of offering an alternative.

 

[Les Grossman]

I don't get the Brown hate at all. The guy went from passing game coordinator to OC to HC in a matter of weeks.

And he couldn't even run his own system.

While saddled with Waldron's system he had CW improving.

The dumb bears set the whole thing back taking him away from developing CW to coaching the whole team.

So for me the book isn't closed on him.

However, I find it much preferred if any coach hired to be allowed to pick his staff and run his own system.

It's not so much hate on him as it is "what's to like?" For all the same reasons you listed about, we have no idea what his offense would be like outside of all that. Furthermore, his team was pretty sloppy while he was HC.

He didn't really show much to want him tbh. It is understandable given the situation, but still.

Also the idea of yet again forcing coaches on another coaching regime is ludicrous at this point. Have we learned nothing? You wanna bring Morgan along as OL coach too??