McDaniels to LV

[JoJoBoxer]

As someone who lives in Vegas, I'm excited that I'll get to watch this up close. Either a good to great hire or a potential trainwreck, can't wait.

Until he actually signs on the dotted line, you have nothing.

Once he signs, then the great hire or great trainwreck might happen.

 

[satchice]

So you think Eberflus will have a better record than McDaniels in LV?

Id take that bet all day.

McDaniels isn’t anything special and the Bears have the easier schedule, are you sure?

 

[Britbuffguy]

Remember all the clowns here that said McDaniels was slated to replace Belicheck? Dont you feel stupid now? This is why Bears fans are some of the worst in the NFL

I remember when McDaniels drafted Tim Tebow and got his ass fired.

 

[Britbuffguy]

McDaniels isn’t anything special and the Bears have the easier schedule, are you sure?

Not to mention, look at the division he's going to...not to mention if Rodgers heads to Denver.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

The Raiders are attractive because coaches know Mark Davis is going to let you have a lot of power. McDaniels will have just as much power picking players as the GM. They’re going to let him have the same power Gruden did. Davis is hands off with that stuff.

The Bears are the exact opposite. Ownership meddles. Coaches don’t like that. Candidates who have leverage or aren’t just jumping on the first job they’re offered like McDaniels and Harbaugh are only taking jobs like Las Vegas. They would never coach the Bears unless the ownership completely overhauled their approach. That will never happen though. People are always mad about Harbaugh not being considered. Harbaugh was never coming to Chicago though, because they’re cheap for one. But mainly because they’d never give him the power he wants.

Please, give us one example where George meddled with a draft pick or play call.

George is like a turtle. His head comes out of his shell only when he has to (replacing the GM). He would prefer to not be part of any football operation. Now the reason why he has to meddle is because the team is too cheap to pay for a strong executive structure.

This year was the first time the Bears ever had an assistant GM and was probably the last NFL team to have a GM.

If there is only a GM and he has to be replaced, there is no one else to do that besides George and the bean counter.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Honestly I don’t know about that, how much lower can the Raiders get? Between the Gruden scandal and all of those 1st round pick busts, no where to go but up for McDaniels imo

That sounds like a challenge for McDaniels. How low can he bring down the Raiders?

 

[EDPeezy]

Please, give us one example where George meddled with a draft pick or play call.

George is like a turtle. His head comes out of his shell only when he has to (replacing the GM). He would prefer to not be part of any football operation. Now the reason why he has to meddle is because the team is too cheap to pay for a strong executive structure.

This year was the first time the Bears ever had an assistant GM and was probably the last NFL team to have a GM.

If there is only a GM and he has to be replaced, there is no one else to do that besides George and the bean counter.

They cut Kyle Fuller because they wanted to clean up the books. It’s little shit like that.

Did they not just essentially pick the coach? Or are you one of the delusional people that believes it was Poles?

I‘d guess Polian had the loudest voice for the GM and HC hirings. but that even reeks of George hiring his guy to be some extension of ownership. And is he gone now? Or does Poles have to work with him? What’s up with that whole thing?

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Patriot fans sad he is leaving.

Bears fans talk about what happed 10 years ago.

This is why Bears fans are idiots

No, you are a piece-of-shit who doesn't even like the Bears.

Of course, the Patriot fans are sad the he left the OC position. He is a really good OC.

We are talking about what happened 10 years ago and what happened just a few years ago because that is the history of McDaniels as a HC.

Ask Denver and Colts fans how sad they were when left Denver or never made it to Indy.

McDaniels has shown that he is a shitty HC.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

They cut Kyle Fuller because they wanted to clean up the books. It’s little shit like that.

Did they not just essentially pick the coach? Or are you one of the delusional people that believes it was Poles?

Wrong.

Pace cut Fuller. George had zero (0) to do with that. It was Pace along with his buddy Nagy who made that call. Nagy decided that an old Graham was more important than Fuller.

You are the one who is delusional in trying to blame George for what Nagy decided and Pace did. I am 100% sure that George found out about Fuller being cut at most 30 minutes before the CCS members.


And why did George essentially pick the GM? Because the ownership is too cheap to pay for a deep and strong executive infrastructure. If there were a president of football operations, which there should be, George would never be a part of any football decisions besides having to replace that president. If there were a VP of football operations, there would a strong infrastructure that could serve as a good sounding board for the GM, Assistant GM and the whole player and college personnel departments.

Instead, the Bears were stuck with Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber having to pick the GM because there was a vacuum in the executive infrastructure.

 

[EDPeezy]

Wrong.

Pace cut Fuller. George had zero (0) to do with that. It was Pace along with his buddy Nagy who made that call. Nagy decided that an old Graham was more important than Fuller.

You are the one who is delusional in trying to blame George for what Nagy decided and Pace did. I am 100% sure that George found out about Fuller being cut at most 30 minutes before the CCS members.


And why did George essentially pick the GM? Because the ownership is too cheap to pay for a deep and strong executive infrastructure. If there were a president of football operations, which there should be, George would never be a part of any football decisions besides having to replace that president. If there were a VP of football operations, there would a strong infrastructure that could serve as a good sounding board for the GM, Assistant GM and the whole player and college personnel departments.

Instead, the Bears were stuck with Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber having to pick the GM because there was a vacuum in the executive infrastructure.

You believe whatever you want. I don’t care. You’re lost if you don’t think Bears ownership meddles in a way other owners don’t. They’re not Jerry Jones. But they meddle. And a coach who wants power will look at different options because of it.

I mean Jesus Christ, look at the bolded. So a position every other franchise has a guy make the decisons for them the Bears don’t have and they as ownership get to make that decison themselves? But that’s not meddling or being too involved? What planet do you live on? There isn’t a President of Football operations because they want to make those decisons. Lol at your bullshit about it’s because they’re cheap. It’s because the they don’t want to cede power.

 

[EDPeezy]

Lol didn’t they just move George into Ted Phillips old job as basicslly the guy the GM answers to?

McDaniels has way more power in Las Vegas than Eberflus will ever have in Chicago.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

You believe whatever you want. I don’t care. You’re lost if you don’t think Bears ownership meddles in a way other owners don’t. They’re not Jerry Jones. But they meddle. And a coach who wants power will look at different options because of it.

I mean Jesus Christ, look at the bolded. So a position every other franchise has a guy make the decisons for them the Bears don’t have and they as ownership get to make that decison themselves? But that’s not meddling or being too involved? What planet do you live on? There isn’t a President of Football operations because they want to make those decisons. Lol at your bullshit about it’s because they’re cheap. It’s because the they don’t want to cede power.

You are so fucking clueless!

It was never George's wish to have to meddle. Did you even pay attention to George's presser?

He had to make decisions because the McCaskeys are too damn cheap to create an infrastructure that could take those decisions out of his hands.

In the end he was the person who picked Poles. Once Poles became the GM and kicked out everyone from the HC interviews, it was Polian who was upset. Why wasn't George also upset since he was such a meddler?

It was a relief for George to take that responsibility out of his hands.

 

[Imabearsfan]

LV got an offensive visionary. The Bears got a good defensive HC. Hey Bears fans, welcome to .500 record over next 5 years

Offensive visionary? Lmao…….Dumbass.

 

[Canth]

You are so fucking clueless!

It was never George's wish to have to meddle. Did you even pay attention to George's presser?

He had to make decisions because the McCaskeys are too damn cheap to create an infrastructure that could take those decisions out of his hands.

In the end he was the person who picked Poles. Once Poles became the GM and kicked out everyone from the HC interviews, it was Polian who was upset. Why wasn't George also upset since he was such a meddler?

It was a relief for George to take that responsibility out of his hands.

Yeah, George is not his brother. I don't believe he has meddled at all with football decisions once he hired the GM. And I do get tired of hearing how cheap he is. He gave Pace leeway to completely renovate and expand Halas Hall. It was sorely needed and he funded it. They brought in a lot of free agents and Pace was always against the cap. They spent plenty of money.

Pace just didn't spend it as wisely as he needed to do build a roster that could sustain success. He gambled on Trubisky and lost. He was lucky to get another year. Even in that year, they didn't hinder him, letting him trade up twice to get players he coveted in Fields and Jenkins. The Bears ownership did not limit Pace. Pace and Nagy effed that up themselves.

 

[bears51/40]

How soon will McD trade Carr?

As soon as he can get a Kyle Orton caliber QB in return.

 

[Soterod]

LV got an offensive visionary. The Bears got a good defensive HC. Hey Bears fans, welcome to .500 record over next 5 years

That’s only if McDaniels has straighten his shit out. I live in Colorado people around here still talk about him getting caught cheating and still loosing games !

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Yeah, George is not his brother. I don't believe he has meddled at all with football decisions once he hired the GM. And I do get tired of hearing how cheap he is. He gave Pace leeway to completely renovate and expand Halas Hall. It was sorely needed and he funded it. They brought in a lot of free agents and Pace was always against the cap. They spent plenty of money.

Pace just didn't spend it as wisely as he needed to do build a roster that could sustain success. He gambled on Trubisky and lost. He was lucky to get another year. Even in that year, they didn't hinder him, letting him trade up twice to get players he coveted in Fields and Jenkins. The Bears ownership did not limit Pace. Pace and Nagy effed that up themselves.

Sigh.....

The Bears have not been cheap with players nor have they been cheap with the facilities for many years now.

However; they have absolutely been cheap with the front office. While many teams have had GMs, Assistant GMs, Presidents of Football Operations and Vice Presidents of Football Operations for decades, the Bears have been reluctant to join the modern era.

Because of this, unlike a team like the Ravens, there is only a thin slice of cushion between the HC and the Owner.

Chicago Bears Player Personnel

• Ian Cunningham Assistant General Manager
• Champ Kelly Assistant Director of Player Personnel
• Charles Love Scouting Assistant
• Ashton Washington Scouting Assistant

Ravens Player Personnel​

• Eric DeCosta Executive Vice President & General Manager
• Ozzie Newsome Executive Vice President
• Pat Moriarty Senior Vice President of Football Operations
• Joe Hortiz Director of Player Personnel
• George Kokinis Director of Player Personnel
• Nick Matteo Vice President of Football Administration
• Vincent Newsome Senior Player Personnel Executive
• David McDonald Director of Research & Development
• Mark Azevedo Assistant Director of College & Pro Personnel

I left the normal scouting departments out of the lists but do you really believe that the Bears scouting department is better than the Ravens'?

Can you not understand that a front office with 4 people (it was 3 before Cunningham was signed recently) being from 33% to 44% the size of the Ravens' front office (and two of those 4 positions are still scouting positions) means that all it takes for Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber to have to come out of hibernation is for two of the front office (besides Teddy) to do a bad job (it was only Pace up until before) and have to be replaced?

From the Ravens, it would take a complete meltdown of at least 4 people before the owner would have to become involved.

It is not ownership meddling. It is that ownership is cheap with the front office and do not build a strong front office to completely insulate George from having to ever make a football operation again.

 

[mecha]

fucking doomsday imminent.

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[JoJoBoxer]

That’s only if McDaniels has straighten his shit out. I live in Colorado people around here still talk about him getting caught cheating and still loosing games !

You may still talk about him cheating and losing games, but were people, like Ommy said, sad that he left, as fans of course?

 

[stelz]

Sigh.....

The Bears have not been cheap with players nor have they been cheap with the facilities for many years now.

However; they have absolutely been cheap with the front office. While many teams have had GMs, Assistant GMs, Presidents of Football Operations and Vice Presidents of Football Operations for decades, the Bears have been reluctant to join the modern era.

Because of this, unlike a team like the Ravens, there is only a thin slice of cushion between the HC and the Owner.

Chicago Bears Player Personnel

• Ian Cunningham Assistant General Manager
• Champ Kelly Assistant Director of Player Personnel
• Charles Love Scouting Assistant
• Ashton Washington Scouting Assistant

Ravens Player Personnel​

• Eric DeCosta Executive Vice President & General Manager
• Ozzie Newsome Executive Vice President
• Pat Moriarty Senior Vice President of Football Operations
• Joe Hortiz Director of Player Personnel
• George Kokinis Director of Player Personnel
• Nick Matteo Vice President of Football Administration
• Vincent Newsome Senior Player Personnel Executive
• David McDonald Director of Research & Development
• Mark Azevedo Assistant Director of College & Pro Personnel

I left the normal scouting departments out of the lists but do you really believe that the Bears scouting department is better than the Ravens'?

Can you not understand that a front office with 4 people (it was 3 before Cunningham was signed recently) being from 33% to 44% the size of the Ravens' front office (and two of those 4 positions are still scouting positions) means that all it takes for Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber to have to come out of hibernation is for two of the front office (besides Teddy) to do a bad job (it was only Pace up until before) and have to be replaced?

From the Ravens, it would take a complete meltdown of at least 4 people before the owner would have to become involved.

It is not ownership meddling. It is that ownership is cheap with the front office and do not build a strong front office to completely insulate George from having to ever make a football operation again.

The Truth. After ponying up for players for many years now and recently for facilities, the front office is the Bears last bastion of cheapness. Maybe if there were four or five more guys in the room, Ryan Pace could have been talked down from paying Mike Glennon 18 million dollars, to say...five million dollars for the FA QB slated to start the season, saving 13 million. Right there would have paid for the extra FO staff for a few years. Or better yet, sign a FA QB who can actually PLAY QB. Maybe they would have convinced Pace to stand pat at the third pick if he wanted Trubisky so badly, saving two additional draft choices. Or better yet....trade down a few spots, pick up some extra draft capital...and draft Mahomes. Or not have over-drafted two unathletic tight ends. Or not have hired John Fox. Or have seen through Matt Nagy's bullshit.