Mike Dunleavy JR Bulls

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Corey Maggete
Elton Brand
Gerald Henderson
Christian Laettner actually was pretty good until about 1998
Boozer
Luol Deng

What do you define as a "role player"?


Duke definitely recruits stars and top talent. Deng was the consensus #2 behind lebron. Singler was top 10 in 2007. Brand was top talent IIRC. Rivers was. Irving was. Sulaimon was. JABARI PARKER. Duke looks more for kids that are well-spoken and actually give enough of a crap about the student part in student athlete to actually go t class even if they are one and done. Duke's academic requirements for athletes are higher than most universities. I think in recent years, the coaching staff has been a little less selective. Either that or we have been doing better attracting talent and brushing off stigma. Most likely the latter


What none of the unc fans want to admit is that the UNC players Roy has put into the NBA are pretty underwhelming. They still ride the coattails of Dean's success(which honestly in the NBA was pretty damn great). The best player for them now is Lawson? That's not bad...but then you have A LOT of pretty meh players below him. Brandan Wright, Sean May,Marvin Williams(he did have a few decent seasons, i understand although considering where he got drafted and among whom he got drtafted..),etc.

There was an article about how ill-prepared Harrison Barnes was for the NBA when he started camp. Hmmmmmm. Seriously though, if I'm a topwing, would I ever want to go to UNC with Roy's PG and post driven system? It's not necessarily an attacking question. But seriously.

Maybe we should look at where the best players in the NBA went to school

Lebron-no college
Kobe-no college
Durant-Texas
Paul-Wake Forest
Duncan-Wake Forest
Harden-Arizona State
Howard-no college
Carmelo-Syracuse
Stephen Curry-Davidson
Westbrook-UCLA
Wade-Marquette
Griffin-Oklahoma
Paul George-Fresno State
Deron Williams-Illinois
Kyrie Irving-Duke


It's far from an exact list(I may have missed a few players)...but do you see the point i'm trying to make? Certain colleges dont necessarily churn out superstars. High quality 2nd-3rd options are successes in the NBA as well. Even role players if they play their role really well. Of course, it helps any college to get one or two players that become 20+ PPG scorers. But the top isn't monopolized. Those players have unique backgrounds.

I'm glad someone gets it.

To be fair, Roy has put out some pretty decent players at his time at UNC. And KU(specifically Paul Pierce). Just like a lot of good teams like Duke have that consistently perform well and recruit top talent.

Do you really think that has to do with what college they went to?

When you're not here, I miss you - a lot.

 

[nwfisch]

When you're not here, I miss you - a lot.

He's too busy, going to school :tongue:

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

When you're not here, I miss you - a lot.

Haha, I'm on when I can be. Having a life can suck sometimes That and I realize that I can't comment on a lot of these threads because I dont know shit about what theyre talking about haha so I lurk.

 

[RoseMVP1]

Maybe we should look at where the best players in the NBA went to school

Lebron-no college
Kobe-no college
Durant-Texas
Paul-Wake Forest
Duncan-Wake Forest
Harden-Arizona State
Howard-no college
Carmelo-Syracuse
Stephen Curry-Davidson
Westbrook-UCLA
Wade-Marquette
Griffin-Oklahoma
Paul George-Fresno State
Deron Williams-Illinois
Kyrie Irving-Duke
Derrick Rose-Memphis

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Probably should have added rose into there, although when you do think about it.....

 

[RoseMVP1]

Probably should have added rose into there, although when you do think about it.....

I just figured you didn't add him on purpose to **** with us since we're on a bulls forum :shrug:

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I just figured you didn't add him on purpose to **** with us since we're on a bulls forum :shrug:

No, I honestly just forgot. But that angle works much better. So we'll go with that.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Corey Maggete
Elton Brand
Gerald Henderson
Christian Laettner actually was pretty good until about 1998
Boozer
Luol Deng

What do you define as a "role player"?

I'd say all those players are role players right now.

Brand was a star early in his career and Laettner wasn't quite a star, but he was a good player as well. Boozer in Utah you could've considered a star I guess. I've never really considered Deng anything more than a role player personally. I guess my definition of a star according to that is anyone who isn't a "1st option" or "2nd option" on offense...guys who could carry the load of an offense by themselves. Role players are everyone else.

Duke definitely recruits stars and top talent. Deng was the consensus #2 behind lebron. Singler was top 10 in 2007. Brand was top talent IIRC. Rivers was. Irving was. Sulaimon was. JABARI PARKER. Duke looks more for kids that are well-spoken and actually give enough of a crap about the student part in student athlete to actually go t class even if they are one and done. Duke's academic requirements for athletes are higher than most universities. I think in recent years, the coaching staff has been a little less selective. Either that or we have been doing better attracting talent and brushing off stigma. Most likely the latter

I guess I was referring more to players that end up becoming NBA stars, but I do realize that is hard to gauge for guys coming in out of HS so perhaps that was a poor choice of argument. I've always found it funny that Deng was #2 behind Lebron coming out of HS seeing as the gap between them right now is so huge, but again, how do you see that in HS? However, what you said is totally right. Duke's academic standards have always been high compared to other programs (and considering how Duke is a great academic university itself, not hard to see why) and the guys they do end up recruiting tend to be...shall I say "classier" than others. They don't really take guys out of "the hood" so to speak, but more of the white collar type. It's like the comparison that Jalen Rose made between himself and the rest of the fab five at Michigan and Grant Hill and the rest of that Duke squad.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Brand was a star early in his career and Laettner wasn't quite a star, but he was a good player as well. Boozer in Utah you could've considered a star I guess. I've never really considered Deng anything more than a role player personally. I guess my definition of a star according to that is anyone who isn't a "1st option" or "2nd option" on offense...guys who could carry the load of an offense by themselves. Role players are everyone else.“

I mean I think there are some role players who have enough offensive skill to be able to carry the load(Andre Miller,Jr Smith,etc.) but they don't do it consistently. Anyways, it's really just semantics. The important thing is that we understand the heterogenous nature of role players. I mean you could technically consider Luol Deng and Tiago Splitter to both be role players. That doesn't nearly tell the whole story. I think for the sake of the college to NBA argument, making an assertion like "Duke only produces role players(not saying you made this assertion)" is pretty vague.

I guess I was referring more to players that end up becoming NBA stars, but I do realize that is hard to gauge for guys coming in out of HS so perhaps that was a poor choice of argument. I've always found it funny that Deng was #2 behind Lebron coming out of HS seeing as the gap between them right now is so huge, but again, how do you see that in HS? However, what you said is totally right. Duke's academic standards have always been high compared to other programs (and considering how Duke is a great academic university itself, not hard to see why) and the guys they do end up recruiting tend to be...shall I say "classier" than others. They don't really take guys out of "the hood" so to speak, but more of the white collar type. It's like the comparison that Jalen Rose made between himself and the rest of the fab five at Michigan and Grant Hill and the rest of that Duke squad.

For the most part, Duke players tend to not be impoverished or in "the hood". That is partially weeded out through selectivity of the coaching staff and the vibe Duke basketball emits. Also, education and poverty tend to correlate directly to each other, so kids "in the hood" are probably less likely to academically qualify at Duke. I can't think of any kids Duke has picked up that were not at least middle class, but then again i'm not really adversed in duke's history. I'm sure someone on the duke scout board could bring up some people(will avery maybe?).

Duke can definitely pick up kids from the city or who live near urban areas(Chicago is a pretty big duke pipeline). And of course, not every duke player is a jon scheyer, ryan kelly, or shane battier. I think we have a good mix of players from different backgrounds. All that matters in the end is that they work together to win games,I guess. And many times they do.

 

[Glide2keva]

wow LOL

I HATE Duke, what can I say?

 

[clonetrooper264]

I mean I think there are some role players who have enough offensive skill to be able to carry the load(Andre Miller,Jr Smith,etc.) but they don't do it consistently. Anyways, it's really just semantics. The important thing is that we understand the heterogenous nature of role players. I mean you could technically consider Luol Deng and Tiago Splitter to both be role players. That doesn't nearly tell the whole story. I think for the sake of the college to NBA argument, making an assertion like "Duke only produces role players(not saying you made this assertion)" is pretty vague.

Yeah that's true. I guess a "better" statement might be that Duke tends to produce good role players. But even then that's kind of a blanket statement.

For the most part, Duke players tend to not be impoverished or in "the hood". That is partially weeded out through selectivity of the coaching staff and the vibe Duke basketball emits. Also, education and poverty tend to correlate directly to each other, so kids "in the hood" are probably less likely to academically qualify at Duke. I can't think of any kids Duke has picked up that were not at least middle class, but then again i'm not really adversed in duke's history. I'm sure someone on the duke scout board could bring up some people(will avery maybe?).

Duke can definitely pick up kids from the city or who live near urban areas(Chicago is a pretty big duke pipeline). And of course, not every duke player is a jon scheyer, ryan kelly, or shane battier. I think we have a good mix of players from different backgrounds. All that matters in the end is that they work together to win games,I guess. And many times they do.

Yeah I can definitely see why kids from lower income areas wouldn't get into Duke because, as you said, they don't qualify academically (in general, that is...due to the nature of inner city schools not being as good and other such factors).

As a basketball fan, I do enjoy watching Duke's teams because of the kind of basketball they play. It's a very team oriented style that isn't really focused on one specific player. They don't really need to have a "superstar" to succeed because of that. And perhaps that's why they tend to churn out more guys like Shane Battier and Mike Dunleavy than guys like Kyrie Irving or even Luol Deng.

 

[Glide2keva]

I mean I think there are some role players who have enough offensive skill to be able to carry the load(Andre Miller,Jr Smith,etc.) but they don't do it consistently. Anyways, it's really just semantics. The important thing is that we understand the heterogenous nature of role players. I mean you could technically consider Luol Deng and Tiago Splitter to both be role players. That doesn't nearly tell the whole story. I think for the sake of the college to NBA argument, making an assertion like "Duke only produces role players(not saying you made this assertion)" is pretty vague.





For the most part, Duke players tend to not be impoverished or in "the hood". That is partially weeded out through selectivity of the coaching staff and the vibe Duke basketball emits. Also, education and poverty tend to correlate directly to each other, so kids "in the hood" are probably less likely to academically qualify at Duke. I can't think of any kids Duke has picked up that were not at least middle class, but then again i'm not really adversed in duke's history. I'm sure someone on the duke scout board could bring up some people(will avery maybe?).

Duke can definitely pick up kids from the city or who live near urban areas(Chicago is a pretty big duke pipeline). And of course, not every duke player is a jon scheyer, ryan kelly, or shane battier. I think we have a good mix of players from different backgrounds. All that matters in the end is that they work together to win games,I guess. And many times they do.

jalen Rose broke down Duke pretty well in the Fab 5 Doc. He hit it right on the head and you're not too far from his point.

 

[clonetrooper264]

jalen Rose broke down Duke pretty well in the Fab 5 Doc. He hit it right on the head and you're not too far from his point.

I actually liked that documentary. The way Jalen is so straight up with everything is pretty awesome too.

 

[nwfisch]

Korver just signed for $6M a year in the ATL.

We got a steal. Great work Garpax.

 

[KBIB]

CHAMPS!!!

 

[Axl Rose]

yeah Korver got PAID...happy for him

and it does make this contract look like a steal

 

[AustinIllini]

After that Korver contract, I'm comfortable saying "good job so far"

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I HATE Duke, what can I say?

You've certainly made that clear

 

[JosMin]

That Korver contract is ridiculous. It kind of scares me to think what some of the other guys like Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings and Tyreek will end up getting. From what I've read, Brandon Jennings is looking for a deal north of $12 million per season. Absolutely ridiculous, if you ask me.

 

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Wow. Good for korver.