Miller: Carter to Bears at #9 (if available)

[truthbedamned]

This would be a near perfect draft if the Bears could nab Jalen Carter. He’s the guy they would have initially probably drafted at #1 before the trade up and car incident. I’m not saying he doesn’t come with major risks, but he might be the most talented player in the entire draft. And a massive need on top of that.

IMO, him and Gonzalez are the best players in this draft class. But 3T is such a major need that Carter becomes the no brainer pick at #9, at least talent wise.

Just what we need. A lazy self centered player who gives 50 percent. So Bears.

 

[Raskolnikov]

1. The lie would be to get a team to jump us to 8 for DT and increase probability of top 4 QB falling to Bears for trade down.

2. I think Carter was best fit at position of deepest need and worth consideration at #1. I would accept his flaws readily at 9.

3. I like corner Witherspoon alot better at 18 than I do nine. There are lots of guys worth moving down and letting one be the faller. Shoronski could slide, Witherspoon or Gonzalez, even Carter could keep sliding, Bijan or PJJ.

Love the lineman further down 15-35 range anyway. I'm all about taking a blue chip or sliding down at 9, but not reaching for intangibles like Witherspoon and Shoronski just yet.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I think Houston could take Anderson at #2 if Young goes #1, and then get real tempted/ancy to swap from #12 to #9 if a top 4 QB is still there but 3 are gone.

They have the high second we covet and I suspect Poles can nab one of his 8 or 9 "blue chip" targets at 12.

 

[Adipost]

Just what we need. A lazy self centered player who gives 50 percent. So Bears.

You can’t just teach this sort of thing…

https://imgur.com/BXmGjii

 

[BeerFan]

Too many red flags for an upper-half first round pick for Carter. If he's still there for Bears 2nd round pick, then maybe.

 

[BeerFan]

Too many red flags for an upper-half first round pick for Carter. If he's still there for Bears 2nd round pick, then maybe.

Character still means something.

 

[Bearly]

Just what we need. A lazy self centered player who gives 50 percent. So Bears.

I suspect this staff has enough faith in there ability to use enough tough love and/or encouragement to motivate any player capable of being so motivated. I suspect all the meetings with Carter were about getting a feel if he is capable of responding to that sort of influence. Poles Cunningham and Flus will not draft him if they don't think they can motivate him sufficiently.

The reason I would want Carter at 9 is that this staff has come to a positive overall conclusion about that situation. If he's there and they take him, there will still be some risk but it will be a measured one with a lot of possible reward as well. He doesn't have to be an alter boy but he will need to be viewed as better than a problem child that can be motivated.

 

[Bearly]

You can’t just teach this sort of thing…

https://imgur.com/BXmGjii

This. It's also why I disagree with some of the 3-tech projections certain sites and youtubers project fior other DTs in this draft. If you're not 1st off the snap and shooting gaps, you aren't special enough to take early at that spot. Carter can do that, still push the pocket when doubled or move around them. The other guys I like at 3 tech in the 1st 2 rounds are either small (Kancey) or Ends (Keion White, Adebawore) I'd try to convert. If we don't take one of those or unsure of the move to DT, I draft Zacch Pickens with my 3rd round pick or trade down a bit if I think he'll still be there. I doubt he makes it to the 4th and he has the traits.

I take a guy a little early if I think he can fill that roll for this team as I see 3-tech as the #1 need.

I got a question for you, Adi. How do you feel about Van Ness? I like him as a player and he's quick off the snap but have doubts about him becoming the low penetrator. Probably too rich at 9 but I'd consider him later in 1. Even if not a projected 3-tech, there's a lot of versatility there and he gave some top Ts trouble.

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[TL1961]

Too many red flags for an upper-half first round pick for Carter. If he's still there for Bears 2nd round pick, then maybe.

He may very wel be gone by pick 5. He will not be there at #53. Good heavens!

 

[Bears Backer 54]

The good news for the Bears is that if Carter drops to them, I think they get a phenomenal player at a crazy value (wouldn't it be crazy if the leader of the offense in Fields and the leader of the defense in Carter for the future of the franchise were both players who had unlikely falls that the Bears managed to acquire). If Carter goes earlier to Las Vegas or Detroit which wouldn't surprise me, I think there is going to be Pole's choice of top OTs there which also happens to be an area of need so we can't go wrong there. The only thing I personally don't want to see is a trade back up to grab Carter. If he falls to us, great. If not, grab the best OT or trade down a little ways to acquire more draft capital in upper round two and make your pick ups there. I think there will be some excellent talent to be had between #25 and #120 picks in this draft so I think increasing their picks in this range would be beneficial.

 

[Bearly]

He may very wel be gone by pick 5. He will not be there at #53. Good heavens!

If he doesn't make it to 9, I hope he's gone before 6.

 

[Les Grossman]

You can’t just teach this sort of thing…

https://imgur.com/BXmGjii

No you can't, but Carter just gives off some Nick Fairley vibes to me.

Go look at Fairley's college tape and you'll say the same thing about not being able to teach that sorta thing...

 

[Rise]

The Bears have so many holes I don’t really care what they do in the draft, just don’t give the Steelers Carter that’s all I ask.

 

[Bust]

Jalen Carter Unlikely To Fall Out Of Top 10; Bears, Eagles In Mix For DT?

APRIL 13: Carter's floor may be settling in at No. 9. The Bears are unlikely to let the higher-risk prospect …

www.profootballrumors.com

if Njigba or Carter is there Poles has to do it!

 

[TexasBearfan]

This would be a near perfect draft if the Bears could nab Jalen Carter. He’s the guy they would have initially probably drafted at #1 before the trade up and car incident. I’m not saying he doesn’t come with major risks, but he might be the most talented player in the entire draft. And a massive need on top of that.

IMO, him and Gonzalez are the best players in this draft class. But 3T is such a major need that Carter becomes the no brainer pick at #9, at least talent wise.

which makes me wonder if we should have moved all the way down to 9

 

[Chicago4Life]

this is all a revenge scheme by poles to get the bears original 2nd rd pick back...steelers are supposedly very interested in carter, show interest in carter by bringing him in multiple times and then get them to pony up the goods.

 

[Bears4Ever_34]

That Steelers rumor sounds like complete bullshit. It's lying season. If Carter is there at 9, the Bears are going to take him. Also, maybe don't trade with the Steelers again until you find out just how bad you got fleeced in the last deal you made with them.

 

[Myk]

If only drafts could be as simple as you are. 3-tech DT may be the weakest position in this draft and is also our greatest need. It's a deep T draft and will be a lot easier to pick up a viable RT later. Same with Edge. Obviously, you don't **** your entire board to do things like that but you also get picks in that trade down. I know that many here will be upset if Poles goes D (if Carter and Wilson are gone) with the 1st pick after last year's draft but he couldn't give a shit. He'll do what he feels is overall best for this team.

He already got his 1st round WR in trade and the DL is a bigger problem than the OL right now. There will be lots of highly rated Ts in our 2nd and 3rd round picks this year plus , Poles will also gain a pick to trade up in 2 if there's one he prefers. There will be no projected top 3 techs by 53. It's a draft, so maybe they have a DE targeted that they think can play inside and available with a later pick but we don't know that.

Keion White is a guy I haven't seen projected there that I think could be moved inside at 3-tech and might still be on the board at 53 but it's not a given. Van Ness shows a ton of potential and is quick off the snap. He'd need to get lower but probably can. Neither is likely an instant 3-tech fix inside though they would help immediately, would likely take a year to become a more proto 3 tech if it ever happened.

If Poles can get a LT good enough for you to say the oline is cured and only needs a RT I'm sure he can pick up a 3T for you in the 5th too. Was last year's draft supposed to be so stacked at LT that everyone was waiting for the 5th?

Problem is we have an RT not LT. We need an LT who is good enough to start because Poles hasn't done anything to address that other than throwing a bunch of shit at the fan to see what would stick. One did.

Defense is never a need in the modern NFL.
All your pass rush is going to do is rack up 15yd penalties for tackling the QB or fail to rack up holding penalties against them. We've already been through this. Why do you want to keep on repeating it? Do you like rooting for a losing team? You must.

Explain to all of us how failure to draft OT at #9 means coats the Bears 2 first round draft picks next year?

Do you want to wait until Fields is no longer here to find his replacement in a year we don't have 2 firsts to trade up and don't next year's god of a QB coming up?
So instead of 2 firsts you'll trade 1st, 2nd, 3rd and a future 1st and 2nd? Genius. Do you really miss Pace that much?
Or would you rather sign Fields to $26m/yr before we know what he can do so we're locked into paying whether he can do it or not? If that's your choice you must be the one person who misses Emery.
I was the Cutler fan and even I said that was stupid with him holding many Bears records, but here you are wanting to do it with a QB who has only proven he can run for his life and get sacked 55 times doing it while making it to last place in an NFL season.

And knowing the Bears they still won't have protection for that rookie whether he comes next year or the year after.
And each of those years there will be those on CCS claiming that pass rush must be taken 1st because they're BPA and defense is a need just like they have been doing every year for the last 11 years (and probably longer than that).

 

[abegibronlives]

I dont see any way that criminal SCUM gets past Dan Campbell and his band of thugs.

But if he did, we'd grab him in a heartbeat, right?

 

[Bearly]

If Poles can get a LT good enough for you to say the oline is cured and only needs a RT I'm sure he can pick up a 3T for you in the 5th too. Was last year's draft supposed to be so stacked at LT that everyone was waiting for the 5th?

Problem is we have an RT not LT. We need an LT who is good enough to start because Poles hasn't done anything to address that other than throwing a bunch of shit at the fan to see what would stick. One did.

Defense is never a need in the modern NFL.
All your pass rush is going to do is rack up 15yd penalties for tackling the QB or fail to rack up holding penalties against them. We've already been through this. Why do you want to keep on repeating it? Do you like rooting for a losing team? You must.





Do you want to wait until Fields is no longer here to find his replacement in a year we don't have 2 firsts to trade up and don't next year's god of a QB coming up?
So instead of 2 firsts you'll trade 1st, 2nd, 3rd and a future 1st and 2nd? Genius. Do you really miss Pace that much?
Or would you rather sign Fields to $26m/yr before we know what he can do so we're locked into paying whether he can do it or not? If that's your choice you must be the one person who misses Emery.
I was the Cutler fan and even I said that was stupid with him holding many Bears records, but here you are wanting to do it with a QB who has only proven he can run for his life and get sacked 55 times doing it while making it to last place in an NFL season.

And knowing the Bears they still won't have protection for that rookie whether he comes next year or the year after.
And each of those years there will be those on CCS claiming that pass rush must be taken 1st because they're BPA and defense is a need just like they have been doing every year for the last 11 years (and probably longer than that).

Bears gave up the most points in the NFL last year and it would have been even worse had they thrown more and not run clock. 60% run ratio. Why would I expect anything more from you than a knee jerk nonsensical response that lacks any comprehension of the post that you're responding to.

T is very deep in this draft. I want one on day 2. 3-tech is very shallow. I want one before 53. If the board falls that T is what they draft in one, and they have a sleeper 3-tech targeted elsewhere, I won't complain as I give drafts a while to determine themselves but to not be able to address that point with any substance and simply come back with a rant days later would have me concerned about you if I actually gave a shit.