Muhammad Ali passes away!

[DrGonzo]

I never understood the unending praise for Muhammad Ali. He was obviously an incredible athlete, but wasn't he a draft-dodger and a bit of a racial segregator?

The fact that he dominated as an athlete while also taking a principled stand against a racist war and fighting the government and white establishment at the same time only makes him greater.

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[Spunky Porkstacker]

I never understood the unending praise for Muhammad Ali. He was obviously an incredible athlete, but wasn't he a draft-dodger and a bit of a racial segregator?

Call him a draft dodger if you like. Ali said he had no problem with the Vietnamese people, had no reason to kill them. He didn't agree with the US gov for going to war with them....so believe that if you choose. Obviously there is no draft today, but had you been drafted to go serve in Gdub's Iraq war how happy would you have been about that?

 

[bearmick]

I never understood the unending praise for Muhammad Ali. He was obviously an incredible athlete, but wasn't he a draft-dodger and a bit of a racial segregator?

He took one of the best and most principled stances I've ever seen anyone take in the public eye

I ain't draft dodging. I ain't burning no flag. I ain't running to Canada. I'm staying right here. You want to send me to jail? Fine, you go right ahead. I've been in jail for 400 years. I could be there for 4 or 5 more, but I ain't going no 10,000 miles to help murder and kill other poor people.

If I want to die, I'll die right here, right now, fightin' you, if I want to die. You my enemy, not no Chinese, no Vietcong, no Japanese. You my opposer when I want freedom. You my opposer when I want justice. You my opposer when I want equality. Want me to go somewhere and fight for you? You won't even stand up for me right here in America, for my rights and my religious beliefs. You won't even stand up for my right here at home.

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RIP

 

[BringBackDitka54]

I don't know much about the guy, so I wasn't insinuating that he was a draft-dodger or racial segregator. He was in the spotlight in a time where there still were a lot of racial barriers to overcome, so I could definitely see the importance of him speaking out on that stuff.

 

[ruprecht]

Never a fan.

 

[jooo83]

I never understood the unending praise for Muhammad Ali. He was obviously an incredible athlete, but wasn't he a draft-dodger and a bit of a racial segregator?

You're not the only one. He is as important and relevant has any athlete that has every lived. No question about that. But there is much not to celebrate about the guy. However, it's not popular to say that because there is a huge segment of this country that cares more about their agenda and pushing their preferred narrative rather than the actual truth. And if the facts don't fit their narrative they simply ignore it. Ali literally referred to white people as the devil. Just think for a second about the UPROAR if a white athlete called black people the devil. You're not being objective if you deny this. He also claims to have spoke at a KKK rally against interracial dating. Of course you will hear very little about this "other side" of Ali when agenda driven news networks like espn and people who know far less about the man than they think talk about his life over the next several days and weeks. Ali was a legend. But he was also very complicated. And it does his legacy a disservice by only acknowledging the positive.

 

[Desperado34]

He took one of the best and most principled stances I've ever seen anyone take in the public eye



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RIP

Cutler


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[Urblock]

Keep it up and it will suck for you in the Bears forum.

 

[Desperado34]

You're not the only one. He is as important and relevant has any athlete that has every lived. No question about that. But there is much not to celebrate about the guy. However, it's not popular to say that because there is a huge segment of this country that cares more about their agenda and pushing their preferred narrative rather than the actual truth. And if the facts don't fit their narrative they simply ignore it. Ali literally referred to white people as the devil. Just think for a second about the UPROAR if a white athlete called black people the devil. You're not being objective if you deny this. He also claims to have spoke at a KKK rally against interracial dating. Of course you will hear very little about this "other side" of Ali when agenda driven news networks like espn and people who know far less about the man than they think talk about his life over the next several days and weeks. Ali was a legend. But he was also very complicated. And it does his legacy a disservice by only acknowledging the positive.

Jay


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[Desperado34]

Keep it up and it will suck for you in the Bears forum.

Keep what up? No one is perfect.


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[Urblock]

Don't push this.

 

[ruprecht]

You cant say negative stuff about Ali.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Like how you left out how he hated white people on this interview, and saw you and other white prople, as the enemy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KKCDoUocXk


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Did he hate white people? Not so much. You don't seem to be able to wrap your head around the fact he grew up in a time when there was still a lot of hostility against and blind hatred for black people. He, himself, had been refused service in diners due to the color of his skin. You can take different quotes out of context not understanding the times back then or his mentality and how it was formed. I think this quote from him best sums up his feelings on this subject:

"There are many white people who mean right and in their hearts wanna do right. If 10,000 snakes were coming down that aisle now, and I had a door that I could shut, and in that 10,000, 1,000 meant right, 1,000 rattlesnakes didn’t want to bite me, I knew they were good... Should I let all these rattlesnakes come down, hoping that that thousand get together and form a shield? Or should I just close the door and stay safe?"

It wasn't that Ali supported segregation cause he hated white people or thought the 2 races shouldn't intermix, it was just his thought process at the time that blacks were better off and safer staying to themselves.

 

[Desperado34]

But he did say he didn't think people should race mix, I just saw that. Not about being safer as a race, he also made claim that people should be proud of their race and not mix.

The interviewer seemed somewhat offended by it.


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[Urblock]

You cant say negative stuff about Ali.

Sure you can but why would you today?

 

[ruprecht]

I gave an honest opinion. Never a fan.

 

[Urblock]

That's fair.

 

[Monster]

Common thinking at the time I expect.
I'm not going to hold a few frustration statements against him.
He also said hating for color is wrong no matter your color.
That and if a man views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 he wasted 30 years.

 

[ruprecht]

I mainly did not like the hot dogging and rope a dope bullshit, and there was a cruel edge to some of his antics. I dont respect that shit.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

But he did say he didn't think people should race mix, I just saw that. Not about being safer as a race, he also made claim that people should be proud of their race and not mix.

The interviewer seemed somewhat offended by it.


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You've never been the type who could read between the lines, so I wouldn't expect you to get it now.

He came from a time when blacks were fighting for basic rights and respect. He was just as hostile towards other blacks he felt were just letting it all be. He didn't like other fighters like Frazier, Patterson, Ernie Terrell and others due to that fact and made his feelings known.