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Wouldn't a band's time be more indicative to their own country?



I mention that because Children of Bodom came around in Clinton's time, but they are Finnish. It might reflect more on the political climate of Finland more than the US.



I do think there could be a trend in lyrical content vs a conservative or liberal swing in the country of origin. The question is does the lyrical content reflect the political climate or polarize it.



An initial look at SOD's "Speak English or Die", released in '85, would support being more inline with conservative politics (which also had "**** the Middle east"). THEN, you look at Testament's "The Gathering", released in 1999, and with the song "Do Not Resussitate (DNR)", it does reflect a liberal view more than a conservative one. Both bands are american, so that helps the theory but you' need more reasearch and more examples. You might also have to qualify the *type* of metal as well.



Again, I am not saying that only American metal bands are popular. Just that metal in general enjoys better status when a Republican is in office.



Much like people seem to prefer full figured women in depressed economic times.



And absolutely the times asurrounding a band should influence their writings.
 

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Since music is a very subjective thing, there will always be great music and always be crap no matter who is in office. My crap might be your treasure or pleasure, however you want to look at it.
 

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Since music is a very subjective thing, there will always be great music and always be crap no matter who is in office. My crap might be your treasure or pleasure, however you want to look at it.



I'm sure Jako would highly treasure your crap.
 

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My crap might be your treasure or pleasure, however you want to look at it.



I'm sure your crap is someone's treasure AND pleasure. There are a lot of strange people out there.
 

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I'm sure your crap is someone's treasure AND pleasure. There are a lot of strange people out there.





You know what I meant.



However that does bring back to mind that guy in Vancouver that advertised on Craigslist for someone to come poop in his toilet so he could play with it afterward. It's in the Entertainment forum, but I don't remember what thread.
 

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You know what I meant.



However that does bring back to mind that guy in Vancouver that advertised on Craigslist for someone to come poop in his toilet so he could play with it afterward. It's in the Entertainment forum, but I don't remember what thread.



It was a joke silly.
 

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Bri with the nail on the head. And again, this is my theory. And hell, some metal heads may not like the kind of metal I do.
 

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Bri with the nail on the head. And again, this is my theory. And hell, some metal heads may not like the kind of metal I do.



Which is fine. I think your theory is a good jumping off point but quantifying it down to specific metal genres, along with country of origin of the band and the politics there based on album release date would be an interesting study--especially a comparative one to, say, how politics influence the topic of lyrics, and maybe even how the lyrics vs. politics of a given country affect sales.
 

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Which is fine. I think your theory is a good jumping off point but quantifying it down to specific metal genres, along with country of origin of the band and the politics there based on album release date would be an interesting study--especially a comparative one to, say, how politics influence the topic of lyrics, and maybe even how the lyrics vs. politics of a given country affect sales.



That would be interesting to study metal and politics that intently. I will pass, unless someone wants to pay me.
 

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I had posted this in another thread, and thought it deserved it own thread. I also wanted other folks who don't wander into political threads often to read it.



A friend of mine looked at Presidents and music. For us metalheads, it is better to have a Republican in office. Going back to the 60's, it started with Kennedy being shot in '63. LBJ took over at the end of '63. the Beatles landed in '64. Along with the Rolling Stones and the hippie movement, music took a big leap, talking about more important things, things that touch and effect the lives of people. Whether you like the music or not,(I am not a big Beatles fan) it was a pivotal time in music.



Moving to the 70's, With Tricky Dick at the helm, Black Sabbath appeared. The godfathers of all metal, bringing power chords to the fore. Of course, there were other bands that had an edge to them, but Black Sabbath were bringing some dark imagery and scaring the normals. Personally, I also dig 3 Dog Night, but that is probably cause my Dad would occasionally wake me up with Jeremiah Was A Bullfrog blaring.



Enter Jimmy Carter. And bring on disco. Nuff said.



However, towards the end of his term, and the beginning of Reagan stint, punk exploded. Both here and across the pond. Punk rose in popularity, along with bands like Iron Maiden. The longer Reagan was in office, the more metal came out. Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, the list goes on. You also get hair metal, death metal, and it just keeps branching off from there.



As G.H.W Bush takes over, metal hits a Peak. Also, grunge and alternative music are introduce.Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Alice in Chains take over. Some don't agree, but I feel they are part of metal. They have all the elements anyway. Interestingly at the same time, Machine Head and Fear Factory start to form. Machine head takes metal and brings it down. The down tune their guitars, and use baritone instruments to reach new sonic depths. Fear Factory took that industrial sound Nine Inch Nails brought to your ears and makes it truly a mechanized, driving force.



Enter Bill Clinton. During his term, America experienced arguably the best economic times in its history. However, it also drudged through some of the shittiest music, in my opinion. I couldn't stand Oasis. And the best metal to arrive at that time was Limp Bizkit. Ewwwwww.



A new millennium arrives, and so does a new leader of the Free world. With Bush in office, we see a proliferation of some of the heaviest, hardest metal yet. Couple that with technology, where people can record a professional sounding record at home, and internet file sharing, metal proliferates like it did in the 80's. Limewire, Napster, and other file sharing site are the new millenniums version of mix tapes. Killswitch Engage. Mastodon, Lamb of God, all just bring it to a new level. Hell, Gojira, from France of all places, take eco concerns and things that would please a hippie and and makes it cacophony to make you ears bleed.



With Obama in office, I haven't really been impressed with any new band. Would that change with Romney in the oval office? History says yes.











Can anyone add to this theory? Do you have your own music theory?



Clever writing and I like your editorial theory to support your taste in music and your political taste.



Great Job! Straight out of the Andy Rooney School for an ending to Sixty Minutes.
 

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Clever writing and I like your editorial theory to support your taste in music and your political taste.



Great Job! Straight out of the Andy Rooney School for an ending to Sixty Minutes.



I am not crazy about the GOP. Democrats aren't any better. I lean towards less government intrusion and personal freedoms.
 

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Well, I will say that music in general during the Clinton era got more angry. Not necessarily aggressive, but angry. Well except for crap bands like the Offspring that tried to sound like angry punk but had too polished of a voice and sound...and that band that did the song used in Shrek (though I bet they were angry at something). But other than that angry. So my theory is that when dems are in office the music gets angry and when the pubs are in it gets kind-ish.
 

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Well, I will say that music in general during the Clinton era got more angry. Not necessarily aggressive, but angry. Well except for crap bands like the Offspring that tried to sound like angry punk but had too polished of a voice and sound...and that band that did the song used in Shrek (though I bet they were angry at something). But other than that angry. So my theory is that when dems are in office the music gets angry and when the pubs are in it gets kind-ish.



Really? Well, I think its obvious we don't travel in the same musical circles. And really, this theory is subjective, and to my tastes.



The metal I listen to most off the time you won't hear on the radio. College town maybe, but not usually.



I can see your point of view with the angry. Metal doesn't necessarily mean angry. I understand your Offspring comment. Most major label music, be it punk or hard rock/metal, whatever, is to sanitized. Fake angry, manufactured indignant righteousness. I don't care if all you sing about is how much you enjoy painting, just so long as they are your words, and your passion comes through.
 

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Really? Well, I think its obvious we don't travel in the same musical circles. And really, this theory is subjective, and to my tastes.



The metal I listen to most off the time you won't hear on the radio. College town maybe, but not usually.



I can see your point of view with the angry. Metal doesn't necessarily mean angry. I understand your Offspring comment. Most major label music, be it punk or hard rock/metal, whatever, is to sanitized. Fake angry, manufactured indignant righteousness. I don't care if all you sing about is how much you enjoy painting, just so long as they are your words, and your passion comes through.





Completely agree about the passion. I listen to all type of music (even Zydeco which I completely love), but a staple for all is the passion they put into. To me, it usually means they cared more than making a buck.



Some of comment was joking (including my theory), but I do think that several genres got harder during mid Clinton era. Thought it weird too, but with grunge being as popular as it was in the early 90's not too much of a suprise that others would try to capitalize on it and get some of the fringe crowd.



As far as metal during the Clinton, I will admit that I was a little out of the metal circle, other than some Scandinavian and known good metal bands that carried into the 90's, and very much into industrial and old school punk...with pop always there from many of the poeple and events I attended at the time. I actually think I missed a large chunk of metal that I do not miss from what one of my brothers plays from that era....which does lend to your theory.
 

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Completely agree about the passion. I listen to all type of music (even Zydeco which I completely love), but a staple for all is the passion they put into. To me, it usually means they cared more than making a buck.



Some of comment was joking (including my theory), but I do think that several genres got harder during mid Clinton era. Thought it weird too, but with grunge being as popular as it was in the early 90's not too much of a suprise that others would try to capitalize on it and get some of the fringe crowd.



As far as metal during the Clinton, I will admit that I was a little out of the metal circle, other than some Scandinavian and known good metal bands that carried into the 90's, and very much into industrial and old school punk...with pop always there from many of the poeple and events I attended at the time. I actually think I missed a large chunk of metal that I do not miss from what one of my brothers plays from that era....which does lend to your theory.



My musical guilty pleasure? A Capella. When done right, it is amazing. I also like when genres take on other ones. There was a Bluegrass band that covered a bunch of Metallica tunes. I bought the album. I enjoy it.



Grunge flared and got big and disappeared, imo.
 

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Same with Industrial--gone now.



And I can make a "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego" here...but I won't
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We all have gulity pleasures in music. Hell, I still like "The Curly Shuffle".
 

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Same with Industrial--gone now.



And I can make a "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego" here...but I won't
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We all have gulity pleasures in music. Hell, I still like "The Curly Shuffle".





Industrial/ebm, etc is still there but sadly the vampires took it over. Most of the drivers of that genre have gone into production and are using their recording and editing techniques with many pop bands. Odd how the counter-culture is now supporting what it once countered.





Curley Shuffle is an outstanding, yet a mindlessly fun song.
 

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Yeah...still, I miss those days. Cubanate was awesome live.
 

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