Must-Take Guys at #8?

[ILoveDick]

If we got a good pass rusher, another CB, a couple of olineman, and 2x WR's we litterally would have a roster lacking of any serious holes. Hell, you could argue every position on the team would be average or better.

That would make you a LOT better than just a playoff team.

People are confusing wish-lists with reality.

 

[msadows]

You do know that there is a difference between a true #1 receiver and the first WR taken in the whole draft, right?

If he were projected to be a true #1 receiver, he would be drafted in the top 5.

You realize by most scouts, he is the only WR who has a chance to be a #1 WR?

At worst he is a very good #2. That is his floor. His game is going to translate day one to the nfl. Only other WR you could say that about is Kirk and he won't go too much further than ridley.

It seems what you are lacking with Ridley is size/jump ball ability. If he had those attributes he would be a perfect prospect. His elite attributes are speed and route running. Those are two very very important traits in a WR nowadays.

 

[ILoveDick]

You do know that there is a difference between a true #1 receiver and the first WR taken in the whole draft, right?

If he were projected to be a true #1 receiver, he would be drafted in the top 5.

That's just a stupid statement. Odell Beckham, T.O., Dez Bryant, Randy Moss...heck Jerry Rice wasn't even a top five pick.

 

[msadows]

When drafting a WR in the first round you want them to at least be elite in a few aspects. Ridley is an elite route runner, and has elite speed combined with it. He just creates seperation.

What was the biggest issue last year at WR? They couldn't fucking get open. Ridley is open all the damn time. Yes, he isn't flashy. He also isn't julio jones, but we don't need him to be. Tittys is pretty damn accurate, with a gun. If ridley can give him a couple yards of seperation on every other play we are looking at an amazing duo.

There isn't one "perfect" type of WR, however, there is one thing all of the top WR's do possess, and that attribute is ELITE route running. It's why OBJ and Antonio Brown are so good.

 

[ILoveDick]

When drafting a WR in the first round you want them to at least be elite in a few aspects. Ridley is an elite route runner, and has elite speed combined with it. He just creates seperation.

What was the biggest issue last year at WR? They couldn't fucking get open. Ridley is open all the damn time. Yes, he isn't flashy. He also isn't julio jones, but we don't need him to be. Tittys is pretty damn accurate, with a gun. If ridley can give him a couple yards of seperation on every other play we are looking at an amazing duo.

There isn't one "perfect" type of WR, however, there is one thing all of the top WR's do possess, and that attribute is ELITE route running. It's why OBJ and Antonio Brown are so good.

Amen to that! I don't pretend to be a draft guru. I have neither the time or inclination to "research" these prospects. But all this trade down talk is rubbish. The Bears are NOT going to trade down their 1st round pick. Period.

 

[bearmick]

Actually, it kind of is.

You put a healthy Landry and Ridley on last years team and I'm pretty sure we win more than 5 games. We have a top 10 run O, top 10 D.

Yes we have holes, but every team has holes, even superbowl champs.

I know this is a hard concept to understand since we have had shit talent at QB forever, but if your QB has a nice surrounding cast and is a pro bowler, you make the playoffs every year.

Get mitch 2-3 nice toys, watch him flourish. Watch the bears not miss the playoffs for nearly a decade. Pretty simple equation.

They may have won another game or two, but again, there's absolutely no way that just receivers alone is the difference between one of the worst teams in the league and the playoffs.

I also think you're making some pretty big leaps of faith talking about Trubisky as a pro bowl QB.

 

[Toast88]

God-willing, this will be the highest the Bears pick for a long time. Why waste that by trading back to where you’ll hopefully be for years to come?

 

[msadows]

They may have won another game or two, but again, there's absolutely no way that just receivers alone is the difference between one of the worst teams in the league and the playoffs.

I also think you're making some pretty big leaps of faith talking about Trubisky as a pro bowl QB.

Err, we lost a game because our kicker couldnt make a 40 yarder. I dont think we'd win just one or two more games last year if we had Ridley and landry.

We won 5 games because we had the 32nd ranked passing offense. If you added those two we would be closer to 15-20, even with mitch being a rookie. Bellamy fucking started games last year, thats how bad they were.

Yes, this team needs another guard, another CB, another Edge Rusher, and another ILB(possibly, altho im fine with kwiat). But we aren't far away at all. Our offense is 2 WR's and a guard away from being solid. Our defense already is even with those glaring holes. Our ST should be fine as long as we find a kicker.

 

[bearmick]

I admire your optimism but I don't share it.

 

[Xplosive]

You realize by most scouts, he is the only WR who has a chance to be a #1 WR?

At worst he is a very good #2. That is his floor. His game is going to translate day one to the nfl. Only other WR you could say that about is Kirk and he won't go too much further than ridley.

It seems what you are lacking with Ridley is size/jump ball ability. If he had those attributes he would be a perfect prospect. His elite attributes are speed and route running. Those are two very very important traits in a WR nowadays.

Your entire Ridley argument is based on NEED and every GM in the league will tell you that is a foolish plan. What happens when the Bears sign Landry, Robinson, or Watkins in FA? Will you still be beating the Ridley or bust drum???

 

[msadows]

Your entire Ridley argument is based on NEED and every GM in the league will tell you that is a foolish plan. What happens when the Bears sign Landry, Robinson, or Watkins in FA? Will you still be beating the Ridley or bust drum???

Why wouldn't I be? We need more than just one WR.

Ridley, Landry, and Robinson all provide different skill sets. Theres no guarantee Cam Meredith would have even been a great player before the ACL injury. KW is done, other than that we have no other wideouts.

This is all about mitches development. So that's why I want Ridley. We need someone who will contribute day 1. If we already had an established QB i wouldn't even mind waiting till Rd 4 and taking someone raw like st brown, but that isnt the situation.

Priority #1 is to make sure mitch becomes a pro bowl QB. If that means drafting a WR #8 and #39 because you lose out on robinson, landry, and watkins then so be it. If mitch sucks it doesnt matter if we take nelson or edmunds or ward, this team will still be shit for a decade.

 

[Xplosive]

Trade downs are for losers that dont have a plan.

This is about getting better players, not more players

You ARE the proverbial dead horse that needs to be beaten. BB and the Pats are known for out of the box moves like trading down and are hailed as brilliant but Eggy knows best I’m sure.
Must... Not... Trade Down Clown!!! (we get it already)

 

[Myk]

Err, we lost a game because our kicker couldnt make a 40 yarder. I dont think we'd win just one or two more games last year if we had Ridley and landry.

We won 5 games because we had the 32nd ranked passing offense. If you added those two we would be closer to 15-20, even with mitch being a rookie. Bellamy fucking started games last year, thats how bad they were.

Yes, this team needs another guard, another CB, another Edge Rusher, and another ILB(possibly, altho im fine with kwiat). But we aren't far away at all. Our offense is 2 WR's and a guard away from being solid. Our defense already is even with those glaring holes. Our ST should be fine as long as we find a kicker.

We would still have RRP Fox and Hobbit no matter who we had. Hard to say what would've happened with them running it.

I do agree "reaching" down a few spots for a WR shouldn't be out of the question because it is a huge need.

I thought Nugent had some potential, at least better than Barf.

 

[CHICAGOMIDWAYMONSTERS]

Im taking Minkah Fitzpatrick or Tremaine Edmunds at 8

I also like Marcus Davenport but after those 2.

 

[Xplosive]

Why wouldn't I be? We need more than just one WR.

Ridley, Landry, and Robinson all provide different skill sets. Theres no guarantee Cam Meredith would have even been a great player before the ACL injury. KW is done, other than that we have no other wideouts.

This is all about mitches development. So that's why I want Ridley. We need someone who will contribute day 1. If we already had an established QB i wouldn't even mind waiting till Rd 4 and taking someone raw like st brown, but that isnt the situation.

Priority #1 is to make sure mitch becomes a pro bowl QB. If that means drafting a WR #8 and #39 because you lose out on robinson, landry, and watkins then so be it. If mitch sucks it doesnt matter if we take nelson or edmunds or ward, this team will still be shit for a decade.

Perhaps because this team has holes all over the field? No CBs, Two DL, Four OL, One injury prone Edge rusher, Question marks at ILB, & One TE just to name a few.

Its total OC to ignore that many of the WR were injured and all the “couldn’t get open” WR’s you complain about will all be gone. The Bears have only 45 players currently on the roster so more picks are exactly what they need.

 

[msadows]

Perhaps because this team has holes all over the field? No CBs, Two DL, Four OL, One injury prone Edge rusher, Question marks at ILB, & One TE just to name a few.

Its total OC to ignore that many of the WR were injured and all the “couldn’t get open” WR’s you complain about will all be gone. The Bears have only 45 players currently on the roster so more picks are exactly what they need.

KW will be back, and he is done. There is no guarantee Meredith would have even been good if he stayed healthy. He had one okay year when the team was trash.

One thing that is certain is fuller will be back, either with a tag or contract extension. Callahan is coming back too. That leaves one hole at cb since cooper is coming back too maybe they want him to be cb #2.

We don't need Four olineman, we need one guard. Ya'll want a probowler at every fucking position. That isn't realistic. If massie hasn't been cut yet I doubt he will be.

There isn't an edge rusher worth taking at #8, davenport is a bigger reach than ridley and chubb wont be there.

ILB isn't that bad, its actually our position of greatest depth. Would I prefer a better starter than kwiat? Yea, but you also need role players and he is more than adequate. BTW, we have three TE's under contract already. I dont think we are going out for a TE as much as bears fans want it.

Once again, filling ANY of those holes don't mean shit if your QB sucks ass. A sure way to make him suck ass is to not surround him with as much talent as possible.

 

[satchice]

A little OT .. If Chubb is there at 6 would you trade up for him or just sit back and watch him goto Tampa at #7?


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[mattb78]

A little OT .. If Chubb is there at 6 would you trade up for him or just sit back and watch him goto Tampa at #7?

Would love to get Chubb but its extremely rare that the best pass rusher in the draft doesn't go in the top 5.

We don't have the draft capital to move up from 8 to 6, even if Chubb was there.

With Davenport running a 4.58 I think he is gone by 8 as well.

Sucks.

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

Nelson is the only guy I could not pass up at 8. Well the only guy that may be there at 8. He would protect Trubs for 12 plus years. Pace is all about supporting his prize QB.

 

[pseudonym]

Would love to get Chubb but its extremely rare that the best pass rusher in the draft doesn't go in the top 5.

We don't have the draft capital to move up from 8 to 6, even if Chubb was there.

With Davenport running a 4.58 I think he is gone by 8 as well.

Sucks.

Hope he's still there. If the Browns get Foles and take Barkley, not sure how that effects Davenport. Does it help or hurt the odds of us getting him?