My hesitations with Donald at 14..

[Josh2J]

I'd rather have the big beef guy like Hageman personally. Seems like there is always questions about DL guys 'motors' and thier 'consistency' so that doesnt neccessarily scare me off.
Donald' college tape is impressive but I just dont have a warm and fuzzy about him in the NFL.
Seems like a good all around prospect though, aside from his size, no major red flags with him. Will be interesting to see where exactly he falls come draft day.
Never been so intrigued about a class of DT prospects than this one. Gona be fun to watch.

 

[Raskolnikov]

That may be true but I feel like people get caught up too much looking for NFL prototypes, i.e you must be 6'4" and at least 260 but no more than 275 to play end in a 4-3, and forget to ask themselves if the guy can play. Seattle puts a 330lb Red Bryant at end and all of the sudden "hybrid defense" becomes the new catch phrase, when in actuality Carroll was just using the players on hand as he always has.

I just don't believe being 6'0 7/8 instead of 6-2 is a big detriment, or 285 instead of 295, if the guy is going to be a good player he'll be a good player regardless of how long his arms measure or any of this other stuff.

I agree. The issue is he is extremely unique.

He is both the smallest framed early prospect DT to come out in a long time, and by small frame I mean more than height. But he is also the most skilled and has one of the highest motors and the most speed.


You really really really want him, and really don't at the same time.

I think the floor is high, he will contribute and won't hurt you. safe pick. I like it. But if someone that doesn't scare you as much is available its why he could drop in draft. He is fascinating and scary lol just had to add that

 

[NCChiFan]

No doubt we have a need for him, but I am thinking the BPA for the long term, and also worried about injury. DTs get injured alot, and their careers are never the same.

If you grab a cover corner, he is going to fit in any defense.

Another issue is draft depth. I have no idea how the 2-4 rounds stack up with talent at the DT, DE and CB position. This may very well dictate where we go at 14 or if we trade down.

I worry about an undersized player at a position that puts such high demands on a players body.

Honestly, the 3 tech is so important to what the Bears play, I think the Bears are kind of stuck taking him in the first. Unless he's gone, which is still possible. 3-tech in our 4-3 is more important than a "cover corner". Unless we change our D, which doesn't seem all that likely. Also, I would argue 3-tech is more important than Safety as well.

 

[botfly10]

naturally, a demon will come to your defense.


I'll back you up on the "opinion" that you aren't sure. I am not "sure" either. I like the fit for us, partiucalry if we are still going to run some of the same Lovie fronts, however, I have not seen Tuckers ability to understand gap responsibity in the Lovie fronts, so I don't know if Donald fits Tuckers as much as he first he bears we have been used to.

People are talking about Donald gaining weight, but he is already a fat chodey pudge.

He ain't gaining nothing without losing something. Frame is very small, very short. He is the Rex Grossman of DT's.

We all love his highlights. But dangit I don't see any talent trying to stop him. That conference had a void on the o-line this year for some reason, I see jokes trying to block him.

He is damn athletic in the fat body type mold, pure endomorph which is why he is so strong.

Look.....there are things I love about him. And I am more than ok with the pick, but I am also ok with letting someone else take the risk while we take a safer pick at MLB in Mosely or take a safety. Or if Gilbert fell I like that too.

wtf are you talking about? He is not fat or tubby at all. Dude has no gut.

 

[Josh2J]

I'm so glad we took Shea over Chalndler Jones. Look how versatile Shea is! All Jones can do is play defensive end.

I still lose sleep over that pick. Here we are , finally got rid of Jerry, got all this new faith in the new guy Phil and what she do with his first dam pick... shits the bed and tries to get all cute and makes a total Jerry Angelo selection.

Luckily he sorta made up for it in the next round but dam, should woulda been nice to have Chandler Jones or Donte Hightower ( who I wanted) on this roster right about now.

Then as we all know he proceeded to bomb out on the rest of that draft as well.

Geezuz, he has got to slam dunk this 2014 draft or we are gona be in trouble.

 

[Bearin' Down]

wtf are you talking about? He is not fat or tubby at all. Dude has no gut.

He also had 11 sacks his sophomore year, 5.5 his junior, and 11 again his senior year. During his senior year he played, and blew up, florida state's oline.

 

[Raskolnikov]

wtf are you talking about? He is not fat or tubby at all. Dude has no gut.

he is wearing compression gear in both picks. Dude is total endo, and like I said earlier, it isn't unhealthy its his body type. He is very lean for his body type. Great legs, put together well, impressive strength though at his build you have to question the true power in his bench press vs the ease of the exercise for his physiology.

I like him, he just scares the shit out of me because we can't miss.

 

[fatbeard]

have you not seen him with pads off?

Total chode. Pure endomorph.


he is very tubby for 285, not in an unhealthy way, just like I said he is pure endo. He doesn't have the arm length or height for DE. Izzy is 7 inches taller, but Donald isn't built like Freeney he is built like Warren Sapp only less meso-muscle.

Endo's are freaky strong, don't mess with the fat kid.

Fat chodey pudge? Tubby? Where in the world are you coming up with this stuff? Cite a single source.

"he was the most impressive physical specimen on the North squad. His shoulders and arms are bulky and defined and his lower half is massive."

" Aaron Donald, on the other hand, about as trim as a 288-pound man is going to look."

"He’s built like a fire hydrant."

"Compact, but well built."

"Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald has a some serious muscle in his chest and arms. He has a huge upper body, and scouts were talking about how he
looked stout. Unfortunately, Donald is probably maxed out in terms of weight. He still is very strong for his size and looks like he spends a lot of time in the weight room."Looked good in weigh-ins despite his size deficiency, showing a strong physique and powerful lower body.

 

[Raskolnikov]

He also had 11 sacks his sophomore year, 5.5 his junior, and 11 again his senior year. During his senior year he played, and blew up, florida state's oline.

that is for sure the best line we can look at.

 

[NCChiFan]

he is wearing compression gear in both picks. Dude is total endo, and like I said earlier, it isn't unhealthy its his body type. He is very lean for his body type. Great legs, put together well, impressive strength though at his build you have to question the true power in his bench press vs the ease of the exercise for his physiology.

I like him, he just scares the shit out of me because we can't miss.

I agree, I should post pictures of me in compression gear for comparison.... But I fear I would break the interweb.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Fat chodey pudge? Tubby? Where in the world are you coming up with this stuff? Cite a single source.

"he was the most impressive physical specimen on the North squad. His shoulders and arms are bulky and defined and his lower half is massive."

" Aaron Donald, on the other hand, about as trim as a 288-pound man is going to look."

"He’s built like a fire hydrant."

"Compact, but well built."

"Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald has a some serious muscle in his chest and arms. He has a huge upper body, and scouts were talking about how he
looked stout. Unfortunately, Donald is probably maxed out in terms of weight. He still is very strong for his size and looks like he spends a lot of time in the weight room."Looked good in weigh-ins despite his size deficiency, showing a strong physique and powerful lower body.

just playing devils advocate, Donald has gotten a little to popular for what he is on this board. I think he is a good player, but his limitations will keep him from being great.

But the potential for greatness is there. High floor, high upside, which is why there isn't much not to like.

 

[Raskolnikov]

his muscle development does indicate massive growth potential. Maybe he can get to 310 and be a body builder type super warrior. Endo's make good body builders.

 

[Bearin' Down]

that is for sure the best line we can look at.

Well, I think the best line is probably the line he murdered at the senior bowl as well.

 

[fatbeard]

just playing devils advocate, Donald has gotten a little to popular for what he is on this board. I think he is a good player, but his limitations will keep him from being great.

But the potential for greatness is there. High floor, high upside, which is why there isn't much not to like.

Typically playing Devil's Advocate involves challenging the underpinning assumptions of an argument, not deliberately misrepresenting the topic. Donald's hype might be overblown on this board, but that doesn't magically change his physique to something it's not.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Typically playing Devil's Advocate involves challenging the underpinning assumptions of an argument, not deliberately misrepresenting the topic. Donald's hype might be overblown on this board, but that doesn't magically change his physique to something it's not.

yes. can I admit to being mistaken? I have watched him, and seen those pics before, I just got the wrong impression in my head. must have been in some game tape somewhere, I just felt he was really round.

In that pic though, he is taking a photo (sucking in gut, wearing compression gear)

hahah


I realize he is a DT. and fit as a fiddle.

I wasn't trying to come from left field, that was the impression I got and upon further review I was WRONG.


that wasn't hard was it? I personally come here to get smarter about football and the bears, and so I appreciate whoever pointed that out. This forum would improve if a few individuals were willing to change there opinion from time to time so we weren't smashing rocks against our heads, but I don't need to name names.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I was wrong, I won't defend it. But lets at least be accurate. The combine pics are generally the leanest any player will be because they are most ready to run.
I can choose unflattering pics just as easy. The word "chode" was wrong, and tubby doesn't belong in this thread. I can't defend that.

http://0000ijbuce9h5pq.photoshelter.com/image/I0000lxosnuG05ec

 

[Raskolnikov]

I think I was fooled by his round face and his beard length enhancing it. I got a weird impression, he is more of a mesomorph than an endomorph.

 

[Chinese]

How big was Chris Zorich

 

[Raskolnikov]

How big was Chris Zorich

does it matter? How big was his competition?

 

[Raskolnikov]

I'd rather have the big beef guy like Hageman personally. Seems like there is always questions about DL guys 'motors' and thier 'consistency' so that doesnt neccessarily scare me off.
Donald' college tape is impressive but I just dont have a warm and fuzzy about him in the NFL.
Seems like a good all around prospect though, aside from his size, no major red flags with him. Will be interesting to see where exactly he falls come draft day.
Never been so intrigued about a class of DT prospects than this one. Gona be fun to watch.

Despite what anyone tells you, SIZE DOES MATTER.

There is such a thing as too big, and too small. For vagina's, and for football.