My interview w/ Steve T. Gorches

[Dpauley23]

How come nobody says Hinrich ball hogs when Hinrich dribbles around for 23 seconds and then throws up 21 foot fadeaway shot and barely hits the rim?

 

[Hendu0520]

Yah Kirk does it too, that's why we sucked last year, but he doesn't do it as much as Gordon. Yes Gordon is more valuable than Kirk just saying he is a black hole. That is ok most of the time you kinda want him to be but he gets carried away sometimes.

 

[Dpauley23]

Ya, but Gordon can definetely make the shot while Hinrich can't. Hinrich isn't on the floor as much as Gordon to do your so called black hole crap. Its called the NBA where alot of players play 1 on 1. Is this Neil Funk?

 

[Shakes]

Dpauley23 wrote:

How come nobody says Hinrich ball hogs when Hinrich dribbles around for 23 seconds and then throws up 21 foot fadeaway shot and barely hits the rim?

People say Hinrich ball hogs all the time.

 

[Hendu0520]

Diddy1122 wrote:

Hendu0520 wrote:

Ok first of all yes Fred great interview you do have good skills in that department. I think that some of you are a little harsh on the guy, we shouldn't care too much about what the casual fan reads. If they watch or go to one game, Ben is definately gonna be one of the players that sticks out in theire minds.

1) I don't know how we always get into the Hinrich/Gordon thing, THEY PLAY DIFFERENT POSITIONS, IT IS ALMOST APPLES TO ORANGES. Kirk is a PG and we have a better one, we don't have a better SG than Gordon so we probably should keep him.

2) Ben Gordon does seem to get criticized but that is the situation he is in. He was our best player and now he is our 2nd best, but defending him shouldn't be making up stuff. Ben can be a middle of the pack defender but when he gets hot, he becomes a very very poor defender. The more he heats up offensively the less he thinks he has to do defensively.

I know we all watched the games, I think it was Game 5, TNT did a segment following Ben, he would just give up on plays. He goes from solid to the worst defender in the league.

3) Lastly Fred you got on him real quick about the Black Hole. Are you kidding me? Just because the guy has 42 points doesn't give him the right to come down and forget about the team, and he LOST US GAMES AS WELL BY TAKING HORRIBLE SHOTS. When there are 3 guys on you PASS THE BALL. HE IS INCAPABLE, NO ARGUMENT IT IS A FACT THAT BEN IS A BLACK HOLE, NOBODY BUT ROSE IS GOOD AT ASSISTS SO HIM BEING 2ND DOESN'T MEAN HE PASSES.

Ok, so I agree on point 1. I never understood why everyone tears down BG with Hinrich, and vice versa. They are completely different players, who play different positions. And I agree with your second point to a certain extent. BG is an average defender, who does have lapses of defensive commitment at times. Then again so does Tyrus, who alot of drones believe is a good defender. But as for the game 5 reference, umm, BG was hurt. I think playing on one leg will definitely make you a poorer defender.

Now your last point I completely disagree with. Going around writing things like "IT IS A FACT THAT BEN IS A BLACK HOLE" without backing it up with actual facts is the exact type of writing that Fred called Steve out on, and rightfully so. And your last statement "ROSE IS GOOD AT ASSISTS SO HIM BEING 2ND DOESN'T MEAN HE PASSES", well then what the hell does it mean? Typically to get an assist you need to PASS THE BALL. The guy averaged 3.4apg, 2nd best of his career, this year. He took 16 shots per game, which of the top 20 scorers in the league, only 3 took less shots, and they are all interior players. Yes, BG can ball hog at times, so does Salmons, and he can put himself in some awful situations with the ball. But he is by no means a black hole out there, and it's that type of, I guess I would say black balling, that has hounded BG his entire career, and a point that countless drones use to tear him down with.

Ok you can't take the overall stats when saying he is a black hole. I'm glad in the 1st and 2nd quarters Ben get's assists. When the game is on the line or the last shot of a quarter he is a black hole. Did you watch the series? If Ben gets the ball Iso at the top how many times have you seen him pass it? Does that happen all game? No so of course he is a good passer, doesn't mean he isn't a black hole. Stats alone mean nothing they have to be interpreted correctly.

 

[Hendu0520]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Ya, but Gordon can definetely make the shot while Hinrich can't. Hinrich isn't on the floor as much as Gordon to do your so called black hole crap. Its called the NBA where alot of players play 1 on 1. Is this Neil Funk?

I didn't say I didn't like that he is a black hole. Gorches obviously has a problem with it but I don't. I think you want him to do it, just I think Ben is easily one of the worst c'mon admit it, you watch he is one of the worst at taking a bad shot on an iso and you know it. He is also one of the best at making them so you live with it. I love it, its exciting and since the handchecking was taken away no it isn't as much 1 on 1 check it out.

 

[Dpauley23]

Shakes wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

How come nobody says Hinrich ball hogs when Hinrich dribbles around for 23 seconds and then throws up 21 foot fadeaway shot and barely hits the rim?

People say Hinrich ball hogs all the time.

Only smart intelligent Bulls fans. Not people who think Ben Gordon is black hole or is luxury as Gorches likes to quote in the podcast

 

[wjb1492]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Shakes wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

How come nobody says Hinrich ball hogs when Hinrich dribbles around for 23 seconds and then throws up 21 foot fadeaway shot and barely hits the rim?

People say Hinrich ball hogs all the time.

Only smart intelligent Bulls fans. Not people who think Ben Gordon is black hole or is luxury as Gorches likes to quote in the podcast

So the question is, why are stupid people wrong?

 

[Hendu0520]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Shakes wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

How come nobody says Hinrich ball hogs when Hinrich dribbles around for 23 seconds and then throws up 21 foot fadeaway shot and barely hits the rim?

People say Hinrich ball hogs all the time.

Only smart intelligent Bulls fans. Not people who think Ben Gordon is black hole or is luxury as Gorches likes to quote in the podcast

Well I think your misunderstanding me, I didn't agree with anything else Gorches had to say except that I'll admit he is a black hole. If you want me to list the shots with three guys on him that he made and missed just in this last series we could but I'm not. I think BG is the 2nd most valuable person on our team and there would be no replacing him as I'm arguing on the other forum, but I'll admit that he is a black hole. People get so wound up about this that they pool everyone in as an idiot while you obviously can't even read my entire post.