Nagy Ranked 19th Best HC in the NFL (CBS)

[Brownie]

That's conjecture that Nagy created by taking the job away from a guy that was lapping him at it. It could be easily knowable had he let Lazor call plays through the playoffs, but maybe he didn't want people to know and that was the reason he did it.

It made absolutely no sense for him to take playcalling back at that point. Zero.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

How good were the Bears with Nagy's hand-picked QB Foles?

pretty shitty

But that has more to do with his player eval skills than anything else, he has 0 physical tools

 

[JoJoBoxer]

pretty shitty

But that has more to do with his player eval skills than anything else, he has 0 physical tools

Ok. Rate Nagy's skills on a 0 - 10 level.

1. Player evaluation
2. Play calling
3. play creation (was it him or Reid?)
4. halftime adjustments
5. time management
6. team building (both players and coaches)
7. flexibility when needed
8. humility
9. player development
10. game after bye week preparedness

 

[SugarWalls]

Or the offense will be better.

If the offense is better is it because of OL replacements, Justin fields, or Matt Nagy?

 

[modo]

Lazor did do a better job of hiding Trubisky.

He didn't hide him at all. He played to his strengths and away from the offenses weaknesses......you don't put up the stats Trubisky did by hiding

 

[Pegger]

I think it has evolved into the idiots that still buy the Nagy is a guru shtick vs rational people.

I mentioned the Eagles being ballsy and forward thinking enough to part ways with a rather recently successful Peterson back vs the Bears cling to shitty mentality a few pages. What are the @Pegger thoughts? Would you have cut bait with Peterson as GM? Nagy?

I would have preferred Pederson to have done better, but it appears there was a lot of things going on behind the scenes that weren't good. I heard Wentz stopped talking to him for a bit and some of his coaching recommendations this offseason were inexcusable. It almost seemed like he wanted to get fired and Jeffery Lurie is fairly hands on, so he ended up making the move.

To the question - Would I fire Nagy? Tough to answer. I don't like how both he and Pace are back for 2021 with no commitment beyond that. It make this year somewhat a 'dead duck' season. When you add in that they drafted a QB it makes me wonder if you weren't committed to the GM/Coach combo shouldn't they have brought in a new regime to make that pick? I also look at Pace and think in 6 seasons as the GM he's had one winning record. In that role what exactly has he shown to earn another season? So to answer your question I would have had a new GM and coach in there for this season. As it stands this GM/Coach combo drafted a QB who shouldn't be rushed into start and traded some 2022 draft capital to do so. If they are gone this next season are you going to only hire a GM and Coach who's wanting to work with Fields? Doesn't that limit the selection pool of potential candidates?

With that being said I think the franchise and family really takes comfort in stability, so they hang on to certain coaches/GMs too long. I think they were ready to pull the pin and after their multiple day conference in January both Pace and Nagy wore George McCaskey down. Pace saw this opportunity and now has made moves that could get magically get him extended with a sub .500 team.

 

[modo]

I'd rather they let Lazor be the OC and let Nagy run Club Dub at this point

 

[iueyedoc]

I would have preferred Pederson to have done better, but it appears there was a lot of things going on behind the scenes that weren't good. I heard Wentz stopped talking to him for a bit and some of his coaching recommendations this offseason were inexcusable. It almost seemed like he wanted to get fired and Jeffery Lurie is fairly hands on, so he ended up making the move.

To the question - Would I fire Nagy? Tough to answer. I don't like how both he and Pace are back for 2021 with no commitment beyond that. It make this year somewhat a 'dead duck' season. When you add in that they drafted a QB it makes me wonder if you weren't committed to the GM/Coach combo shouldn't they have brought in a new regime to make that pick? I also look at Pace and think in 6 seasons as the GM he's had one winning record. In that role what exactly has he shown to earn another season? So to answer your question I would have had a new GM and coach in there for this season. As it stands this GM/Coach combo drafted a QB who shouldn't be rushed into start and traded some 2022 draft capital to do so. If they are gone this next season are you going to only hire a GM and Coach who's wanting to work with Fields? Doesn't that limit the selection pool of potential candidates?

With that being said I think the franchise and family really takes comfort in stability, so they hang on to certain coaches/GMs too long. I think they were ready to pull the pin and after their multiple day conference in January both Pace and Nagy wore George McCaskey down. Pace saw this opportunity and now has made moves that could get magically get him extended with a sub .500 team.

Well said and I agree. I hope that Fields allure will attract more coaching candidates than remove ones that would want to move on from him. My crystal ball says Fields comes in mid season and really starts to impress late, buying Nagy an ill advised extension that retards his ultimate development until Nagy is gone. Pace to me is a little tougher call, he seems to be growing a bit into the job, but allowing him a 3rd HC hire if Nagy should prove to be his second failure will be a hard sell.

 

[Brownie]

I'd rather they let Lazor be the OC and let Nagy run Club Dub at this point

If he would have with this move, Nagy's approval rating would be way higher right now.

 

[FozzyBear]

In 2018, of course I wanted them to make the playoffs, that defense was capable of carrying a below average offense to a playoff win or 2, alas,Cody Parkey. Last season, after Nagy took the playcalling back, I couldn't have cared less. He went on to do his best "BeYou," to the tune of 16 and 9 point games.

Making the playoffs has become the 1000 yrd rushing season of team achievements,1000 yards was something when there were 14 games, just like making the playoffs was pretty big deal when there were 8, 10, or even 12 teams. But sneaking in as the 14th team, as the Bears did, means your season was meh, congratulations now come get your ass kicked.

LOL, at So was Nagy suppose to win 3 of 3 SBs to be considered #17. How about win 1 playoff game, how about put up a top 20 offense just 1 season, how about call one single game without a mindnumbing number of bubble screens, or jet sweeps, or time management blunders. Or better yet, after finding a guy on your staff that can do it so much better than you, don't take it from him to stroke your own ego at the expense of the team.

Oh so Nagy made you cheer in 2018. Good for Nagy.

You sound like a child though, you got mad at Nagy for taking the play calling back. So mad, you basically didnt care about the Bears winning any longer. hahahahahahha, you stopped cheering and hoping for a playoff berth because your feels got hurted.

Youre a bot right?

Oh hey everyone, a bears fan wanting a modern top 20 offense... thats original. New round these parts cowboy? Hey Trestman gave you one, how did that work out? BTW Nagy was top 10 in points in 2018, #9 to be exact. Just saying.

Nagy, as bad as he is, has given Bears fans 2 playoff berths in 3 years.

Oh but he hasnt won a playoff game. Man you sound like a spoiled girl whos mad because daddy bought the wrong color car

Yea some people hang their hats on showing up and not doing anything. I always thought Marvin Lewis was a good coach, but he never really did anything in the playoffs. In fact, he was 0 and fucking 7. So he got there 7 times.. after the first few times ya know, yeah hey we made it worked. Ironically enough he was coach of the year too in 2009 (talk about people jumping to conclusions). I'll leave you alone in your calm, we're here if you need us buddy.

EDIT: 2018 was Nagy's year no doubt, I don't think anyone here will dispute that. 2020 Bears? come on anyone with eyes and sensible football knowledge knows how all of that went down and the team was quickly sent home.. it wasn't even a contest. We all knew it, the entire NFL new it, it was a cringe-worthy spot in an expanded playoff year that the Bears "fell" into. They didn't fight for that spot, they had to pin hopes on the (Cardinals?) losing or some other bullshit beyond their control to even get in.

Nagy is an arrogant prick. Rashaad Coward? C. Patterson? Nick Foles, Mike Davis, Cole Kmet, all of these personnel decisions use/lack of use, 6 game losing streak where it appeared the defense quit, time management, and as much of an offensive genius he THINKS he is, he's apparently allergic to 2nd half scoring.. specifically 3rd QTR.. adjusting to defenses..

Imagine going to the the playoffs in 6 of 7 years though. Good times for Bengals fans huh. During that same stretch, the Bears made the playoffs one time. Oh what has happened since Marvin and the Bengals parted ways? 25 - 53 and Zero playoffs. It did net them Joe though. Maybe he can turn it around.

So someone finally giving Nagy credit for 2018 I see. Good for you. Yes Nagy led the Bears to the playoffs that year. Who led them to the playoffs last year? Oh yeah thats right, Nagy. 2 of 3 years, I remember now

He's also led the Bears to a .500 or below record in 2 of 3 years...2 of 3....repeat 2 of 3 years......which means he"s had a winning record .33% of the time.

Or below? No, .500 or above.

So to play math games then. Not only does Nagy get the Bears to the playoffs 66% of the time, he has losing seasons 0% of the time. Yay!!!!!

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Oh so Nagy made you cheer in 2018. Good for Nagy.

You sound like a child though, you got mad at Nagy for taking the play calling back. So mad, you basically didnt care about the Bears winning any longer. hahahahahahha, you stopped cheering and hoping for a playoff berth because your feels got hurted.

Youre a bot right?

who ever said I got mad at him for taking anything back? You are an idiot lol..

 

[FozzyBear]

who ever said I got mad at him for taking anything back? You are an idiot lol..

Can you not read? Are you a bot too?

Im the idiot??? Yeah, duh, reread it again Einstein. Man, this place sometimes, i tell ya.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Ok. Rate Nagy's skills on a 0 - 10 level.

1. Player evaluation
2. Play calling
3. play creation (was it him or Reid?)
4. halftime adjustments
5. time management
6. team building (both players and coaches)
7. flexibility when needed
8. humility
9. player development
10. game after bye week preparedness

1. probably a 3-4. not great.
2. i’ll give it a 6 (which on this scale a 7 is average) because he did have lots of open receivers down field mitch couldn’t hit especially in 2019
3. a 7.5, doesn’t matter if it’s him or reid it’s his play book
4. not great either
5. i’ll give it a 6, people like to cling to a few low lights from 2019 but define room for improvement
6. 8 this is one of his strengths
7. also a 8 he ran 2 different offenses with his starting QBs and he did hand play calling over
8. 6 i think he realizes a lot of his mistakes specially forcing mitch to run his offense in 2019 but he does have a preferred way of doing things, as most people do. i give him a 6 and not a 7 because he seems to get frustrated easily.
9. N/A, we have position coaches for a reason
10. 5, team often looks unprepared but could also be unmotivated from having 0 support from the offense.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

who ever said I got mad at him for taking anything back? You are an idiot lol..

He really is becoming one of the worst posters on here

 

[KittiesKorner]

I am so hard

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Can you not read? Are you a bot too?

IM the idiot??? Yeah, duh, reread it Einstein. Man, this place sometimes, i tell ya.

Have fun with Greg and a few others on ignore island.. jesus christ, go smoke an exhaust pipe.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I am so hard

@msadows hasnt been around lately. Probably locked up for exposing himself to justin fields

 

[FozzyBear]

He really is becoming one of the worst posters on here

Yeah, that guy quoted me replying to someone else. AND youre too obtuse to know the difference too. BUT im the moron.

Have fun with Greg and a few others on ignore island.. jesus christ, go smoke an exhaust pipe.

Thank god, plz use the little bitch button, plz. Its not my fault you cant read.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

@FozzyBear was this past season a good season/success for the bears/Matt Nagy?

 

[JoJoBoxer]

1. probably a 3-4. not great.
2. i’ll give it a 6 (which on this scale a 7 is average) because he did have lots of open receivers down field mitch couldn’t hit especially in 2019
3. a 7.5, doesn’t matter if it’s him or reid it’s his play book
4. not great either
5. i’ll give it a 6, people like to cling to a few low lights from 2019 but define room for improvement
6. 8 this is one of his strengths
7. also a 8 he ran 2 different offenses with his starting QBs and he did hand play calling over
8. 6 i think he realizes a lot of his mistakes specially forcing mitch to run his offense in 2019 but he does have a preferred way of doing things, as most people do. i give him a 6 and not a 7 because he seems to get frustrated easily.
9. N/A, we have position coaches for a reason
10. 5, team often looks unprepared but could also be unmotivated from having 0 support from the offense.

I am pretty close to the same thinking but with 2 exceptions.

#3. Play creation is much different than play repetition. If Reid made the plays and Nagy copied them, Reid can adjust and create new plays depending on the need. If Nagy copied, he is not creative enough to make real defense beaters, just cute plays that are not very effective.

Now if Nagy can be creative, he can adjust to what a defense is doing to his offense and attack them in another way. That is why the halftime adjustments are important. It shows that he can think outside of the box (the playbook) and create a new box to attack them with.

Sadly, he is not good with halftime adjustments nor with bye week adjustments. Chances are that he is not the creative force behind the Bears offense. Note that Reid's offense is 3 years more advanced than what Nagy knows today. Reid innovates. Nagy stagnates (if it is all Reid's offense).

#9. Remember how Nagy said that the Bears didn't even practice the QB basics with Trubisky?

How can a head coach play call a complex offense while Trubisky is not able to do the basics?

Nagy better be part of QB development if he is going to take the offensive play calling. The offense is much smoother when the head coach and the QB are on the same page.

Notice how the offense improved when the OC started calling plays? He knew what Trubisky could and couldn't do and play called appropriately. The same goes for the rest of the offense. He took some of the pressure off Trubisky with a more consistent running game, and Trubisky actually played better.

I would rate Nagy low on this scale because I believe that his involvement in player development is important.

All 10 items that I listed are connected and help or hinder an offense. Up to now, Nagy is a below average head coach.

I hope that he can show something with the 2021 offense. They are not terrible, so he should be able to have a huge increase in results and ranking.

Top 15 or bust.