NBA Finals IGT Game 7: Miami Heat 3, San Antonio Spurs 3

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Gunzaan

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If the league was rigged...Duncan wouldn't have 4 rings. Did anybody...ANYBODY...watch the Spurs beat the Pistons? Anybody? Exactly...

Do you realize how much $$$$$$ an extra game, let alone game 7, brings to the league? Do you know how much $$ is being bet in Vegas? You do realize that the NBA is the only pro sport with a ref that has admitted to fixing games, correct? You also have to be aware that basketball os the most easy referee-influenced professional sport there is, right?

I know you love the game - and I totally respect that - but I'd love for you to answer all of those questions with legit, unbiased NBA goggles. I know it won't happen, but that is why I said I laugh at all the people Stern has in his pocket. The definition of feeding and profiting off of the masses.
 

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That series was awful. Wasn't every game a blowout? I know it went to 7... but it wasn't too exciting.

That is funny... An awful series, with little superstar power... That went 7 games.
 

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Do you realize how much $$$$$$ an extra game, let alone game 7, brings to the league? Do you know how much $$ is being bet in Vegas? You do realize that the NBA is the only pro sport with a ref that has admitted to fixing games, correct? You also have to be aware that basketball os the most easy referee-influenced professional sport there is, right?

I know you love the game - and I totally respect that - but I'd love for you to answer all of those questions with legit, unbiased NBA goggles. I know it won't happen, but that is why I said I laugh at all the people Stern has in his pocket. The definition of feeding and profiting off of the masses.

Do you know that the Spurs have played in the lowest rated Finals (3 of them actually) in the history of the modern NBA? If Daniel Stern is Vince McMahon, Duncan leaves SA and goes to New York or something...doesn't work that way.

Other sports have had players fix games...let alone refs.

Stern cares about Vegas for what reason??? The league makes their money off of endorsements and television deals. Money from gambling would be pure speculation. Using that theory though, all leagues are fixed...ESPECIALLY the NFL. I already watch WWE from time to time. I don't sit around thinking about rigged games.
 

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I thought Donoghy never fixed games (in terms of win/loss) but made calls to affect the point differential instead? But what the heck do I know...
 

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I couldn't, figured every game would end up 75-70. They only played the Nets once. Nets played the Spurs and the Lakers.
Ah right, that was the last championship of the Lakers. I watched none of the 2002 or 2003 Finals. I watched only Game 1 of the 2001 Finals. Im pretty sure my refusal to watch in 2002 was in protest of the Lakers-Kings series.
 

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This wouldn't be an issue if the Spurs could've grabbed a rebound on either of the final 2 Heat possessions. This is the Roy Hibbert argument all over again.

Yep. Ray allen nor lebron hit their 3's without Bosh cleaning up the glass.
 

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Also, Lebron shouldn't wear a headband for the next game.
 

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Yep. Ray allen nor lebron hit their 3's without Bosh cleaning up the glass.
:yep:

The big mistake imo was that the Spurs didn't put anyone in the game that could definitely grab the rebound once they forced the miss. You know they're going for 3, but their best rebounder on the floor at the time (Leonard) is guarding the shooter. That's a problem. Bosh simply had a pure length advantage over all the Spurs players.
 

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Sorry, you won't convince me the league isn't rigged to some degree. We'll agree to disagree on that. I think it will come out eventually.

It just sucks because basketball is fun to play and watch regardless of officiating. But when you have guys like Crawford and Foster who make the game about them instead of the players themselves...
 

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Anybody else think ray Allen should've been called for intentional on Manu late in the game? DIDNT even go for the ball...
 

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Do you know that the Spurs have played in the lowest rated Finals (3 of them actually) in the history of the modern NBA? If Daniel Stern is Vince McMahon, Duncan leaves SA and goes to New York or something...doesn't work that way.

Other sports have had players fix games...let alone refs.

Stern cares about Vegas for what reason??? The league makes their money off of endorsements and television deals. Money from gambling would be pure speculation. Using that theory though, all leagues are fixed...ESPECIALLY the NFL. I already watch WWE from time to time. I don't sit around thinking about rigged games.

What other sport has refs admitting to blowing calls for $$? Please, I'd love to hear it.

No, I don't think Stern is happy about SA in the Finals. If Westbrook didn't go down, the Spurs aren't in the finals, but that is small potatoes to having Lebron in the finals. The Heat are #1 for $$ and ratings because people care. The Spurs don't draw ratings argument holds no salt, because they are up against the evil empire, which is as much ratings as they need.

As far as Vegas goes, the ref who admitted to blowing calls on purpose because of point bets provided enough evidence in how Vegas $$ could easily be involved. Quit feigning ignorance.

And how can you deny that the NBA is the most easily rigged game? There are fouls every 45 seconds, up and down the court. Sure, point the finger at other sports, like the NFL, it doesn't bother me. I have no problem admitting that a sport I love could have shady outcomes, like the NFL, but the sport with the most OPPORTUNITY to have a rigged game, by FAR, is the NBA. The refs play a much more significant role, night in and night out, in basketball then in any other sport.

Keep denying, though. Stern and the NBA of the future absolutely LOVES fans/message board heroes who blindly support them, regardless of the product on the court. Keep that $$ flowing ;)
 

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Anybody else think ray Allen should've been called for intentional on Manu late in the game? DIDNT even go for the ball...
Eh...at the time I wasn't quite as surprised that it was a no call. It was consistent with how they were calling the game at the time, but perhaps that's the key.
 

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I didn't read the other 15 pages of posts, but a few thoughts:

1. What a horribly consistently inconsistent officiated game
2. LeBron is such a frustrating and amazing player to watch. His physical talents are amazing, and when he puts together stretches like he did in the 4th with the offensive drives, post-ups, and defensive plays it's marvelous...but I always find myself wondering--why don't you dictate that way always??
3. Horrendous coaching by Pop and horrible execution/decision making by a veteran Spurs team. 1st for Pop for leaving Ginobili in the game when all he was doing was producing turnovers and 2nd for the inane decision not to foul up 3 w/ 19 sec left in the 4th, 3rd for leaving Duncan on the bench TWICE on defense down the stretch and 4th to not have his team ready (and for the vets not to be aware) to call a timeout on the rebound with under 10sec left in the overtime. Unacceptable decisions, imo.

I thought before the game that Miami would respond big and win big, but after holding Wade and LBJ in check for most of the game, I'm not so sure what Game7 will look like...i'm thinking the Spurs blew their chance here....
 

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I think if the league is rigged, its probably more for point shaving and point differentiation than actually deciding wins and losses. But who knows really. What I do know is that, watching these games, determining the right call is hard. Too many factors to consider, and they are all happening in real time. Gotta watch the feet, the arms, the legs. Where are they on the court? Then you gotta watch the contact: the screens, the low post position battles,etc. You got refs at different angles, but all of this stuff is happening at once.

I know from my point of view, I judge the game quite a bit worse than they do. And yea they're professionals, I get that. But there's a lot of nuance to being a referee(i.e. 50/50 contact situations). And also a lot of minute rules you dont catch from being a basketball layman that they know. Reviewing crucial plays help(but that cant cover nearly everything that may need reviewing because that takes too long), and even with that we can still make mistakes. All im saying is that the NBA, or a lot of basketball in general, is difficult to put under perfect scrutiny(i dont mean scrutiny as in "scolding" but as in referee discretion). So sometimes they get calls wrong, because,well, they got the call wrong. Also, home cooking does exist. And star bias. That goes for any team, regardless of market or affiliation.

To be fair, the reason why the refs swallow their whistle at the end of games, specifically THIS GAME, is because if they put the game under higher scrutiny, they might play a bigger part in determining the outcome of the game, specifically by getting a call wrong. And the refs are scrutinized enough as it is. Would you rather the refs no call and wave off 50/50 contact, or get more whistle happy and allow a team to win the game on free throws?

Neither of those situations in OT were determined fouls and they shouldn't have been.
 
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